ICE on Ferry

[richard222]

You mean the Siemens Venturios that all seem to break down

[photons66]

I assume the passengers are free to wander the ferry, or do they have to remain on board during the crossing, which i'd imagine in itself wouldn't take that long?

[enotayokel]

You mean the Siemens Venturios that all seem to break down

Hehe - They are the German Adelante

I assume the passengers are free to wander the ferry, or do they have to remain on board during the crossing, which i'd imagine in itself wouldn't take that long?

Crossing is 45 mins, given the facilites on board an ICE, (including Seat Back TV) it would probably take longer to off load them then worthwile

[photons66]

You mean the Siemens Venturios that all seem to break down

Hehe - They are the German Adelante

I assume the passengers are free to wander the ferry, or do they have to remain on board during the crossing, which i'd imagine in itself wouldn't take that long?

Crossing is 45 mins, given the facilites on board an ICE, (including Seat Back TV) it would probably take longer to off load them then worthwile

Aren't they the class 605s, diesel derivatives of the 411 electric Venturios?

[enotayokel]

They are, I compared with the Adelante for reliability. They are very similar, QSK-19s under the floor...

[nwallace]

Watched the trains being loaded on to ferries for Copenhagan when the bridge was still being built. Don't remember seeing any lorries in the queues for the car ferry.

[alexnick]

You mean the Siemens Venturios that all seem to break down

Hehe - They are the German Adelante

I assume the passengers are free to wander the ferry, or do they have to remain on board during the crossing, which i'd imagine in itself wouldn't take that long?

Crossing is 45 mins, given the facilites on board an ICE, (including Seat Back TV) it would probably take longer to off load them then worthwile

Aren't they the class 605s, diesel derivatives of the 411 electric Venturios?

They are indeed the BR 605s. The units are not well liked in Germany after their disastrous start with reliability, as the tilting mechanism put too much strain on the wheelsets causing enormous amounts of wear and tear; several units suffered axle fractures in the testing phase. Indeed, DB tried to sell their entire fleet off as soon as they had bought it (Iran was interested, and may have actually purchased some units). However, they have been reinstated in German services and Hamburg-Copenhagen is one of their main routes (though some of the units are owned by DSB). Strangely, the BR 411 electric units did not have the same troubles.

Nick

[photons66]

Didn't they displace some other ICE trains from the Hamburg-Copenhagen route, if I recall correctly?

[alexnick]

No, those are the only diesel ICE units, and the route is entirely unelectrified. Previously the route has been worked by DSB IC3 units, which do come in both electric and diesel varieties. Even better, before then it was loco hauled with DB V200s and V160s together with DSB Nohabs (which worked through into Germany) - interestingly, the privately operated Berlin - Copenhagen - Stockholm night trains still use Nohab traction on the German and Danish portions of the route (using the same ferry service). For more german railway trivia, please write to..........(I'll shut up now)

Nick

[photons66]

Thanks, Nick.

[chriscooper]

Oh well, shows how little I know about German railways then, I'd always thought the ICEs were totally electric.
To go back to the question though, are the engines left running during the crossing for train supply, or are they shut down and a shore supply connected up?

[alexnick]

Afraid I can't tell you that one. I wonder whether there wouldn't be safety implications of leaving diesel engines running throughout the voyage however. Also, are passengers allowed to stay in the train during the voyage? Because you are never allowed to stay in a car during a ferry voyage (except on very small vessels) for the following reasons:
-Vehicles in the hold are not secure if the ship lists or rolls a lot in the voyage and it is known for vehicles to be thrown over during a rough voyage
-If it is necessary to abandon ship, it takes much longer to get out if you are in the bottom of the ship and in another vehicle, which is dangerous should the ship sink.
-On some car ferries the hold is not 100% watertight if the sea is rough (though they may take more precautions with train ferries).

(going back to the photo, there appears to be a small platform next to the train which would permit unloading).

Nick

PS: wikipedia provides a complete list of train ferries still operating in Europe. this is one of three remainin passenger operations.

[bigvern]

Last time I crossed from Rodby to Puttgarden it was on an IC3 (White Worm). Unfortunately the only seats we could reserve were in the cancer car so not the most pleasant journey, glad to get off on the ferry for some fresh air. Portable steps were provided to enable passengers to alight and walk round the ship during the sailing.

Obviously there is the issue of security of personal belongings to consider.

The other big train ferry operation used to be from Helsingor in Denmark to Helsingborg in Sweden. That was only 20 mins or so. Think there's now a bridge to do the same job.

In the days of engine and stock I don't recall the loco being left on the train (too heavy?). Instead a diesel shunter was used to marshall the coaches on and off the ferries.

The whole operation on both crossings was very organised and efficient!

[andylloyd]

at least these boats still exsist though, unlike the cross channel ones

Regards

Andy

[XPTE]

Last time I crossed from Rodby to Puttgarden it was on an IC3 (White Worm). Unfortunately the only seats we could reserve were in the cancer car so not the most pleasant journey, glad to get off on the ferry for some fresh air.

What's the cancer car? And why was it not pleasant in that carriage?