swts 73

Pompeyfan · Post by **Pompeyfan** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:08 pm

rumer has it that swt are going to loose two of there 73s... one to gbrf for engeneering works and the other will be preserved.

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:18 pm

If they get rid of the 442s, then there won't be much that they can assist (desiros are designed to assist each other), and so probably not a lot of work for them.

Pompeyfan · Post by **Pompeyfan** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:20 pm

ok... but what about driver training... and can't the pigs help each other out?

desiro5 · Post by **desiro5** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:24 pm

Think they use Old DMU's for driver training.

I think its at class 101, but I might be wrong.

Cheers

Ali

n863dwt · Post by **n863dwt** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:31 pm

shame to see 2 of the last 73's in semi/passenger service lost however good to see them kept in the rail industry on the mainline...

Pompeyfan · Post by **Pompeyfan** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:32 pm

just to clear i dont know if they are actually going and am after info

nd its an old 121... 960 as is now

carlwestwood · Post by **carlwestwood** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:36 pm

desiro5 wrote:Think they use Old DMU's for driver training.

I think its at class 101, but I might be wrong.

Cheers

Ali

its a class 121 bubble. i seen it

its a little chugger

thomascairns · Post by **thomascairns** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:24 pm

The pigs are going Pompeyfan...

yj03ppv · Post by **yj03ppv** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:59 pm

Yep, they've still got 960012, and do they still use 3417 on driver training runs? Is it still at BoMo depot?

442s can rescue each other, and 421s can rescue 442s, but its just a matter of numbers and where. What with there being tons of 450s & 444s, rescue isn't really a problem, not though from my experience do they fail that much? The 73 will probably used for driver training with one of the Lymington Slammers after the Pig goes. I hope they keep 73109.

Pompeyfan · Post by **Pompeyfan** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:02 pm

i heard that one was going.... i will pm you the link

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:02 pm

Pompeyfan wrote:ok... but what about driver training... and can't the pigs help each other out?

They could but i wouldnt like the electricity bill for the power used off 1, 5WES to pull another 5WES

A 5WES is the equivelent of a 4REP quite some Juice Eater really.

mattvince · Post by **mattvince** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:15 pm

SG - a 10-Wes formation is the equivalent of a 4-REP. The REPs had two motor vehicles of 1200kW each (2400kW total), whilst the single motor vehicle in a WES is only 1200kW. The performance differential of the two is reduced by the REP being designed to push-pull around up to a pair of 4-TCs.

It's not that much considering a 12-car Desiro could, if the juice was available, use up to 4500kW.

Pompeyfan · Post by **Pompeyfan** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:32 pm

http://southwesttrains.myfreeforum.org/ ... highlight=

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:51 pm

That says alot, even the SWT workers dont know whats going on.

EXPECT BIG NEWS ON THE WESSIES

Ill just get the popcorn for this.

No 73's, No Wessie's.

Ill wait till Rail say's something. Kinda knew about the 73's anything down that way painted in heritage livery end's up being carted off somewhere.

Keelar001 · Post by **Keelar001** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:16 pm

salopiangrowler wrote:
Pompeyfan wrote:ok... but what about driver training... and can't the pigs help each other out?
They could but i wouldnt like the electricity bill for the power used off 1, 5WES to pull another 5WES

A 5WES is the equivelent of a 4REP quite some Juice Eater really.

Not quite - a 5WES represents half a 4REP; a 4REP being the equal to double-headed EDs, or a 12-car slammer.

5WES is around 1600 horse power; 4REPs were 3200 h/p.

I should also point out, boys, that SWT have announced, to various staff that Bomo will close to maintenance in Feb, although limited ad-hoc work may be allocated - this could include C4 overhauls on the 458 fleet, which has various units approaching their mileage limits.

The word from on high is that 442s will be handed back to Angel Trains on Febuary 6th, 2007 as the leasing agreement has not, to this point, been renewed. However I am waiting with great interest to see how the company spin the withdrawal of a very popular fleet with the New Forest, Southampton and Basingstoke commuters who are quite rightly very fond of them. They are swift, comfortable and despite their age remarkably comfortable to ride on. And I can forsee further protests from the users on the Pompey road - 450s are the equivalent to VEPs, whereas the 444s that they have become used to are almost (almost) to the standard of a Wessie.

I suspect the press and passengers will take a dim view of what represents a watering of the quality of service SWT have, to this point, been willing to deliver. We are about to see the results of tighter operating margins on the South Western, folks. Companies will only provide a good service so long as they can make money. If they can't they'll prune things back until they can. The next six months will be interesting.