why do young people hate trains

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:28 pm

Judging by some of the advertising liveries I've seen in the london area over the last year or so, some of the graffiti would be an improvement artistically...

It's not all 'young people', anyway, just some of them; and it's not that some 'young people' don't like trains; they don't seem to like anything apart from causing as much grief as possible for anyone who isn't them. One of the reasons that buses don't get graffitoed is that they're rarely left unattended for long enough.
I fear it is a legacy of the 'laissez-faire' attitude to parenting which has grown in the last thirty years. Nowadays kids seem to be taught that it's OK to do anything you want because you probably won't get caught, and if you do they can't do much to you for it anyway.

knight2000fs · Post by **knight2000fs** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:44 am

rwaceyw wrote:I think its a common misconception that 'all' teenagers are lager-swilling, burberry-wearing, fight-craving uneducated people - theres a rather large quantity of us who are perfectly capable of acting responsibly in most situations.

However, it can't really be ignored that a heck of a lot of todays criminal offences are caused by people of younger age-groups ( 12-30 )

Its an impossible problem to solve some people just get 'kicks' out of doing something either dangerous, irresponsible, or a criminal act, and theres little that will deter them.

David

Well said, here you have a 14 year old who is a young volunteer on the West Somerset Railway (Nearly every weekend!) enjoy it very much, Also main line Diesals and Electrics. I am totally against Grafitti, Violence & chav's to a point! People can go out and put there collar up and look cool and walk about without harming other people can't they?

Whitemoor · Post by **Whitemoor** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:26 am

they can, although the nation as ppl such as described in the end of your message as the anti social type, so people,particualy the vunerable ones, will feel insecure, its how its got nowasdays i feel

knight2000fs · Post by **knight2000fs** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:05 pm

One day the goverment all realise how bad it has got and do somthing about it

Untill then we all have to live in a society of violent behaviour

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:16 pm

knight2000fs wrote:One day the goverment all realise how bad it has got and do somthing about it Untill then we all have to live in a society of violent behaviour

Sorry to disagree, but it's not the government's problem; it's yours. And it's mine, and it's everybody's. It all began when parents abrogated their resposibility to educate their children; it began when the 'intellectuals' decided that it was far better for children to have rights than responsibilities; it began when the 'educators' persuaded us that children had to be allowed to be 'free', to let their personalities develop as they wished. It's all a load of learned dialectic twaddle, of course. As we all know, if you allow anything freedom without limits, it goes haywire, and eventually explodes. That's why boilers have safety valves, it's why diesel engines have governors.
We took the safety valves and the governors off our children when we stopped teaching them the three R's - respect, responsibility and reparation.
Respect for others, for themselves; Responsibility for their own actions; Reparation for doing wrong.
All we have now is kids who know about rights. Their rights, and only their rights, forgetting that the same rights belong to me, and to you, to everyone - the right to enjoy life without intimidation, the right to peace and quiet in our own homes, the right to walk about at any time without fear. Kids today talk of being 'dissed', as in disrespected, and that's anathema to them, and cause for a violent reaction - but it's perfectly OK for them to disrespect me and you.
Every right has an associated responsibility; you may have the right to walk about and do as you please - but you are also responsibile for the results; and if that results in injury to others in any form, society has the right to reparation - and that may include financial penalty, financial reimbursement, repayment by service to the community, or loss of freedom.
Trouble is, we don't; they do wrong and we tell them not to be naughty. We set no limits on their behaviour, we do not teach them right from wrong, we do not teach them social responsibility, we don't teach them societal respect. WE, the people who elected the government who enact the laws, we're responsible. The government exists because WE allow it to. WE elect them to do our bidding, but so often we do the bidding of a minority who care enough to elect the government.
You want a government to tackle crime? Elect one that will reverse the laissez-faire educational policies of the sixties and seventies; elect one that will put the treqching back in education; elect one that will make the punishment fit the crime, but more imortantly make the offender realise why it's a crime in the first place.

Until we as a society realise that everything is in some measure our responsibility, then we will never manage to do anything about anti-social behaviour. 'As ye sow, so shall ye reap' is the old adage - well, thirty years and more ago we sowed some pretty bad seed - and now we are reaping a VERY bitter harvest. I only hope we can eventually take our society back from those who seem to bear no responsibility for their dreadful judgement and the damage they have inflicted on us and our children.

BarryH - thenudehamster

Rfairlie · Post by **Rfairlie** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:53 pm

I've been vollunteering on the Festiniog since i was about 7 i think. And im proud to be part of a railway with such a young volluteer contingent, not wishing to sound a bit up myself but were one of the few railways who could be run with staff under 25 thats everyone form buffet stewards to drivers. We also have many female staff and volunteers (see sly advert ---> http://www.steamyladies.co.uk/)which is just as encouraging for the future of railway preservation.
Anyway back to the point, at Blaenau ffestiniog we've had a constant problem with vandlaism for many years. Just go there and look for the absence of nameboards and benches and you see what you mean. Recently however the problem has subsided i've not had anything thrown at me while fireing for a while something that used to be a common problem.
So whats changed?
Well we've tried to get the younger kids to respect the railway so that when they grow up they hopefully tell other people to not throw bricks at us.
Alot of the kids realise if the help the railway they can get something out of it even if its just bringing the loco crew some drinks from the buffet car.
My point even if its put across in a bit of a rubbish rambling fasion is that if you treat these people with respect they give you the same, obviously some of them are beyoned help and the only option is to have them put down but we can't do that unfortunatly.

Tim

jibjub · Post by **jibjub** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:44 pm

i am 12 and have always loved trains

jibjub · Post by **jibjub** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:45 pm

i too will be soon volunteering to work on the ffestiniog railway as i come from wirral i live about an hour and a half away. Ffestiniog railways is no.1 in my view

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:32 pm

One of the problems with discussing a subject like this, on a site like this, is that we're preaching to the converted. You youngsters (that's almost everyone else on this site, I think

) out there already have a well-honed sense of social responsibility; you already direct your energies to the constructive rather than the destructive - and I commend you all for it.

I hope no-one took offence at any of the comments in my previous posts; as I was careful to say in the first one, it's not all young people that are anti-social in some measure, just some of them. I was trying to explore some of the reasons behind their behaviour, and to put forward a couple of possibilities for doing something about it. It is, however, a long-term problem; I don't think that a short-term fix is possible - or practical.

BarryH - thenudehamster
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knight2000fs · Post by **knight2000fs** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:11 pm

What I mean by the goverment is is they keep bringing in these rules where parents schools etc cannot disapline! So the goverment are making it more difficult for parent's & guardians

Website · Post by **Easilyconfused** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:48 pm

2 posts have just been removed from this thread. In one a new member confessed to spraying trains with graffiti in some misguided notion it is some form of art.

The moderators are looking at this and would appreciate no comments from other members.

Kindest regards

John

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:50 pm

Yes, you don't seem to be very good at staying alive as a whole though. A friend of mine is a Heathrow Express driver and turned several of you into mush over dark night during the course of last year in West London. He wasn't at all depressed about it, which is surprising. Most of you get a comeuppence you heartily deserve. You can't hear most modern day EMUs at full speed coming.

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:50 pm

Too late John, if you'd like to can my message as well, we posted at the same time

Website · Post by **Easilyconfused** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:57 pm

Thanks for that. If you don't mind I'll leave it there to illustrate why spraying "art" on the side of trains in yards etc. is such a bad idea aside from the fact it is also against the law.

Removes moderator hat

Perhaps these people would think it was cool if I went and spray painted a 15 foot rendering of Slash from Guns and Roses all over the front of their house ? Hmm. Thought not.

Kindest regards

John

Ghostcav · Post by **Ghostcav** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:04 am

Easilyconfused wrote:Perhaps these people would think it was cool if I went and spray painted a 15 foot rendering of Slash from Guns and Roses all over the front of their house ? Hmm. Thought not.

Kindest regards

John

Actually that would be pretty cool

(G&R fan)

As for young people & there likes,well do young people in general like anything? All they seem interested in is mobile phones,PS2/X-box 360, big brother,sticking fibreglass & plastic all over citreon saxo's etc,going to Mc D's & other worthless stuff. Then you get other young people who have got interests but dont show them in fear of being made to look out of place by the gormless idiots mentioned above.

As for people trespassing on the line to vandalise & mess about,well I should be very careful. Network rail now use helicopters for Trespass & Vandalism in most area's,supported by BTP & civil police. Also most of the TOC's support there own T & V squads. Just remember that if you are fooling around & placing stuff on the tracks & say it causes an incident which kills someone,or nearly does(its already happened) the charge is not minor anymore ,its voluntry manslaughter/attempted manslaughter at least.

Oh & when I'm driving along at 90/100mph I'm not going to be able to stop very quick so watch your back.