School Holiday "fun" - Vandals Strike Near Leeds..

[viperskil]

Hmm thats odd cough*Iraq*cough. The whole system needs a whole reform with human rights and deserved punishments at the heart of any new system. This sort of thing brings back the whole argument about forced community/military service.

[ArrivaTrains]

In the area of the vandalism, the local council has demolished lots of run down houses.

Thats where they get the bricks from

[MuzTrem]

This sort of thing brings back the whole argument about forced community/military service.

As much as I hate chavs, I have to oppose national service.
Being a soldier is a very hard life. You have to be physically and mentally strong for starters, and you'll probably have to endure a fair amount of bullying from your peers and superiors even if you are. I wouldn't be able to cope with any of that. It's not right to force it on people.
Also, some people would complain that military service conflicts with their religious/moral beliefs. If they're not granted an exemption, they'll cry discrimination, and if they are, everyone will complain that they're being treated unfairly because they've been forced to do military service when others aren't.

However, community service is a better proposition. Firstly, because it forces the chavs to clear up some of the damage they make, and because it will make the community a more pleasant place, encouraging more people to take pride in it and look after it themselves, making still more poeple proud of their community-and you've started that rarest of things, a virtuous circle. If all schools were to make their pupils do, say, two weeks community service every year-well, we might be onto something.

[johncard]

Also, some people would complain that military service conflicts with their religious/moral beliefs. If they're not granted an exemption, they'll cry discrimination, and if they are, everyone will complain that they're being treated unfairly because they've been forced to do military service when others aren't.

Did not some of the so-called "conchies" in WW1 actually go to the trenches and work in field hospitals as strecher-bearers etc? From what I can tell, you don't need to fight to be in the military.

John

[enotayokel]

Norway's National Service is either Military or Civil Service - I'd take the civil option.

[alexnick]

Will it take a serious train crash with huge loss of life before this is taken seriously?

I don't care if the brats are young kids they should be punished harshly and cruelly.

Whilst I don't think cruelty is the way forward with punishments, if children deliberately endanger lives, or commit crimes like that of any form, knowing well what they are doing, they must be held responsable for them and should not escape punishment.

I must say, this whole discussion has made me rethink the chavs who hang around on the footbridge at my local station as more than just a danger to passengers.

[JSReeves86]

a possible way to deter these chavs from doing it again is put them in the cab and throw bricks at them doing 70mph or so when they see how scary it must be they may well have a re think, or may just smash up the cab.

JR

[Samd22]

Will it take a serious train crash with huge loss of life before this is taken seriously?

I don't care if the brats are young kids they should be punished harshly and cruelly.

Whilst I don't think cruelty is the way forward with punishments, if children deliberately endanger lives, or commit crimes like that of any form, knowing well what they are doing, they must be held responsable for them and should not escape punishment.

I must say, this whole discussion has made me rethink the chavs who hang around on the footbridge at my local station as more than just a danger to passengers.

Sorry but this country has gone too far in one direction now so cruel and unusual punishment is needed to redress the balance.

Simply saying "you did wrong" won't work - they need to fear for their pathetic worthless lives. They need to be broken and smashed into thousands of emotional pieces - put back together and then broken all over again.

[jpantera]

On my bus journey from work a week ago we got bricked every night fortunately no broken windows or injury on my bus but the one in front got its window done, with many people on board in a state of shock. Anyone who gets caught doing this should be on an attempted murder charge.

[arabiandisco]

Also, some people would complain that military service conflicts with their religious/moral beliefs. If they're not granted an exemption, they'll cry discrimination, and if they are, everyone will complain that they're being treated unfairly because they've been forced to do military service when others aren't.

Did not some of the so-called "conchies" in WW1 actually go to the trenches and work in field hospitals as strecher-bearers etc? From what I can tell, you don't need to fight to be in the military.

John

The problem with a conscript military is that it's rubbish. You'd get people like me who would rather be anywhere else, and the chain of command would rather I was anywhere else than cluttering up their unit.

Think of those marines adverts: "99.9% need not apply". or the Army saying "Be the Best". They want the best people to be soldiers etc, not people dragged kicking & screaming off the street.

That's one reason why the "good old days" of military service will never return - the military don't want to waste their time with people who don't want to waste their time with the military.

I have to agree with jpantera - anyone caught "bricking" (odd verb, but you know what I mean) should be hit with attempted murder, because that's what it is. A few convictions and the scum will go back to demolishing bus shelters. Which at least doesn't endanger someone's life.

[viperskil]

The main reason i brought national service up was that it brings in discipline to the rowdy kids. In the military you need to work and engage the situation to earn yourself a name, you don't need to be the one who gets more girls or grafittis more houses. You need to be able to handle the situation by using your mind not your fists which is what these "chavs" aren't doing. If they used their brains more and actually bothered at school they wouldn't be screwing up everyone elses lives.

[johncas]

Kids do it on the GCR to throwing stones of the bridges at steam trains I was running round on a steam loco one evening at Leicester and got hit by an egg came right through the cab and hit me which can be dangerous to and in the summer they will go to the footbridge over the ring road and throw stones down at passangers on the open top bus which is also dangerous.

[chuxn2005]

As a teenager myself, i will tell you what i think.

I will put my neck on the line to say i have committed offensive or anti-social crimes before. It was at an age when you are unsure and you find out that school at that point in time doesn't matter.
Now im doing GCSE's and realise that school is more important than most things. I have not broke law for a long time and even when i did throw things, the worst would be a small stone (once or twice) or an egg at peoples houses that i dont like. I would never through anything like a brick or a breeze block or even a stone at a train/car or bus.
A lot of the problem can be that kids these days dont have hobbies, I have found one, but most others dont have one.
I fully condem things like this, but i dont like the way you critise teenagers, all of my friends dont do things like this and most never have.
As to the quote as 'they do it to look cool' i dont think it is, its about them thinking that they are 'hard' and to make people scared of them.

Hope this helps people.
CHeers
Chunx
(dont be too hard on us!!!)

[alexnick]

@chuxn2005

Hi

Thanks for your contribution; I would like to give the alternative teenager-persepective. For those of us, who like me, have never behaved like that, I find that all teenagers seem to have this bad reputation as you describe. It get's frustrating how people see you as a young person and deem you to be dangerous and then avoid you. Myself, I worry about teenagers who act aggressively, though for me, being assaulted is more threatening than being bricked.

I don't think being ultra-harsh helps the problem - alienating our teenagers only seems to make them more aggressive. You're quite right about hobbies, though - they really need to be given something to do. Personally, I don't understand the appeal of "hardness", but alienating the teenagers will not solve the problem.

Feel free to argue with this

Nick

[danielw2599]

I have to agree with jpantera - anyone caught "bricking" (odd verb, but you know what I mean) should be hit with attempted murder, because that's what it is.

I fail to believe that most of these incidents are from people setting out to KILL other people. In my view they are mindless acts of vandalism with no regard for other people. Im not saying that there is no one out there that is set on killing or hurting and Im not saying they deserve light sentances (They clearly dont) but classing these incidents as attempted murder is a bit of a stretch (IMO)

Daniel