NEW FGW HST125 Livery

Post by **martinhodgson** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:18 pm

Northern are appaling - We still have the Barbie Scheme as well as the original 'North West Trains' star schemes in evidence, plus a number of ex-Arriva units in Regional Railways livery with multiple patches. Also the Metro Train livery, but that may be a WYPTE thing.

I like the new livery a lot - it isn't too over the top, but looks nice and modern.

spartacus · Post by **spartacus** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:32 pm

Northern liveries:

WY Metro A (321s + 155s)
WY Metro B (144s + 158s)
WY Metro C (333s)
Silverlink
Mersey Rail (old livery)
Northern Spirit
Arriva
Regional Railways
Barbie
NW Trains 'Star'.
Northern A (white on lilac)
Northern B (lilac on white)
Northern C (lilac on blue)
Plain blue

Have I missed any out?

RichPayne · Post by **RichPayne** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:40 pm

I think that's the lot

It amazes me that a decade after privatisation began, old BR liveries are still about. Last weekend I headed down to Buxton to see my girlfriend, and the 156 I took from Piccadilly to Buxton was still in Regional Railways livery with Northern patches... how do they manage no to paint these things for so long?!

Post by **martinhodgson** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:46 pm

I don't know - but it must confuse foreign visitors to see a NorthernRail.org 156, next to a TPX 185 and be told that the train in the middle with the basic First livery is actually operating for Northern. It must confuse most Brits as well!

RichPayne · Post by **RichPayne** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:02 pm

I've given up caring

I know that Preston or Manchester means a 175, Manchester to the girlfriend means a 150 or 156, and going back to see the folks means something operated by Virgin!

Although, in all seriousness, it can be very confusing trying to get a train when none of the operators actually have thier own distinct identity.

Thrashin · Post by **Thrashin** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:05 pm

Have I missed any out?

Yes, the Buxton adverts on the 150s (if they're still there)

Here is a photo of the Northern service to Barrow at Carlisle:

What's funny is that the Northern Spirit livery is now 2 franchises out of date!

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:07 pm

I don't know about 156s, but the 465/466 stock on South Eastern lines (connex, SET, whatever GoAway are calling it...), in addition to WAGN 365s remained in their NSE livery because there was a ~15 year guarantee on the paintwork. Though CSE did vinyl some of their networker stock (365s particuarly).

spartacus · Post by **spartacus** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:20 pm

Doubt there was a guarantee on the 156s/150s as they're covered in patches!

I was aware of the Buxton 156 livery but considered it a variation of the Northern 3 livery. It doesn't seem long ago that the last GMPTE and Tyne liveries dissapeared.

BR7MT · Post by **BR7MT** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:48 pm

arabiandisco wrote:I don't know about 156s, but the 465/466 stock on South Eastern lines (connex, SET, whatever GoAway are calling it...), in addition to WAGN 365s remained in their NSE livery because there was a ~15 year guarantee on the paintwork. Though CSE did vinyl some of their networker stock (365s particuarly).

And at the time the paint was guaranteed there was no such thing as grafitti remover

On a related matter, did you know that all railway paint is now water based to bring it in line with EU directives? Much more environmentally friendly but only lasts something like 6 years. Not sure if it lasts longer or not with vinyls stick over the top.

Regards,

Dan

skipperdipper · Post by **skipperdipper** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:34 pm

Its now 6 months since Nortern repainted a unit. Maybe some oldies will survive into the next Northern franchise?

Rob

joea1 · Post by **joea1** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:09 pm

I think there may be one SWT 455 unit in NSE - not certain though.

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:40 pm

Nah, the SWT units are all done. A couple of 313s left perhaps though.

miketrak · Post by **miketrak** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:32 pm

I like the new livery, quite nice, but some suggestions... I do think they should lose the 'squiggly' bit of the lines behind the cab doors of the power car, and extend the lines around the nose maybe. Some imaginative use of the awful yellow on the nose too, I don't like the way it curves down the sides of the light clusters, loses the 'speed' look i think. The lettering could be improved too, italics?

Mike.

lumpchase · Post by **lumpchase** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:31 pm

Thrashin wrote:What's funny is that the Northern Spirit livery is now 2 franchises out of date!

How is it two franchises? Arriva Trains Wales wasn't a refranchise, it was MTL Holdings (operators of Northern Spirit) rebranding itself. MTL Buses also became Arriva at the same time.
Tony

mattvince · Post by **mattvince** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:39 pm

MTL Holdings didn't rebrand themselves - they were in a spot of finanical bother and had to be bought out by Arriva. Therefore anything still in Northern Spirit livery is technically two franchise owners out of date.