Walk through scanners at Liverpool Lime Street

96smitro · Post by **96smitro** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:37 pm

I went to Liverpool Lime Street today (went to get a coffee there) and was surprised to see some (temporary) walk throgh scanneres on the concurse!

Is this part of the trial to test scanners at mainline stations? I thought it was only being tested on the Heathrow Express???

Is scanners being adopted nationwide now?

Rob.

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:38 pm

its being tested at certain locations, paddington is one of them for all platforms i think as is liverpool. I think Glasgows another location as they need one up there.

danielw2599 · Post by **danielw2599** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:03 pm

No doubt there is going to be a tonne of people complaining of delays

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:06 pm

well if you think about it no there arent really they will be incorperated into the actual platform gates and platform staff or BTP will pull you over if the scanner detects something stopping you from blocking other people.

danielw2599 · Post by **danielw2599** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:41 pm

IIRC, when the subject was brought up a few months ago on here, there were alot of people complaining about how long its going to take, or that it wont work etc etc..

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:09 pm

i think people would rather be late than confront anyone with a knife or gun, its needed in London, Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow definitley.

Tomnick · Post by **Tomnick** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:06 pm

And people with knives and guns (and, dare I say it, explosives) would never board at stations like Stratford, Ealing Broadway, Edge Hill...?

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:21 pm

oh yeah international stations will definitley have them it depends if NR are will to fork out for every station.

alisterbetts · Post by **alisterbetts** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:16 am

Thank goodness for this !!! I've always found the 1935 padd-Plymouth an extremely dangerous train, esp in first class - glad to see common sense prevailing again.....

chrispierce · Post by **chrispierce** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:57 am

The scanners are being trialed at a variety of location (mainly in large cities) in the wake of the poor chap who was murdered not far from a station in london (sorry forgotten the name) it's in some of the magazine at the moment, the police set one up at Wembley Central and stopped 50 people in 3 hours, one was arrested for carrying a knife.

metromuppet · Post by **metromuppet** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:38 pm

Could someone get a picture please?

If these where in place at main stations, whats stopping people boarding at intermediate stops?

slipdigby · Post by **slipdigby** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:15 pm

metromuppet wrote:If these where in place at main stations, whats stopping people boarding at intermediate stops?

Nowt. It's a case of "must be seen to be doing something" by the powers that be. Will it have any effect of security and safety? Almost definitely not, anyone who really wants to circumnavigate these kind of measures will be able to do so easily.

Slip

mattvince · Post by **mattvince** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:57 pm

slipdigby wrote:
metromuppet wrote:If these where in place at main stations, whats stopping people boarding at intermediate stops?
Nowt. It's a case of "must be seen to be doing something" by the powers that be. Will it have any effect of security and safety? Almost definitely not, anyone who really wants to circumnavigate these kind of measures will be able to do so easily.

Slip

Agreed. In addition, the scanners themselves could become targets - particularly if passengers have to queue to pass through them. To me, it all looks like an expensive gimmick to make HMG appear to be doing something about terrorism and crime.

Elojikal · Post by **Elojikal** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:48 pm

I think they're silly and the sort of overreaction that has typified the rather unassured reactions to combating terrorism that have arisen in the past few years, seemingly oblivious to the 30 years of previous experience in dealing with terrorism.

I also think they're rather futile. What is the point of installing them at major rail stations when somebody who posses a security threat can simply board a train up the line at a station which cannot put such provisions in place? It sounds like an epic waste of money by gullible and naive ministers who have fallen hook line and sinker for the worst case scenarios that the police force, armed forces and outside security forces (all of whom just like any organisation have a vested interested in growing their influence and power base.)

They have been talking about them being installed at Brighton and Gatwick. Voluntarily at first. If I was approached at Brighton and asked to use one I would say no. Not because I'm the rebellious sort who fights against authroity and the establishment per se, but because I object to them in principle.

As for Gatwick, why install them there when you already have to pass through a level of security to board a place in the first place?

danielw2599 · Post by **danielw2599** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:57 pm

Let the complaining begin

Railways can't win can they! If they dont do anything they get slated, if they do take steps against crime they get slated!

I really dont understand how people can slag off this idea without A), having sufficient data to back up your claims that it doesnt work, B), giving the trial (And remember it is a trial) a fair amount of time to see if it does or doesnt work and C), actually experiencing the detectors first hand.

Of course the dectectors arnt going to stop people getting on a intermediate stations. They are designed to stop people entering larger cities where there is more chance of an attack.

Please give the detectors a fair hearing befor condeming them.

Daniel