BTP finally start long overdue crackdown on railway louts

barrybryce01475 · Post by **barrybryce01475** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:15 pm

Well, nearly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/camb ... 786912.stm

davidaward · Post by **davidaward** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:19 pm

Sounds well, especially when I had to share an overcrowded pacer unit on Monday night with fosters drinking smoking yobs on their way to the football- and unless I'm terribly wrong the sign on the window said No smoking, and I'd bet alcoholic drinks are illegal on the train.

Then someone arrested for putting his feet up.

electric · Post by **electric** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:59 pm

Well, trains aren't licensed to be locations for 'consumption of intoxicating liquor' so it must be illegal to drink on trains.

nwallace · Post by **nwallace** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:42 pm

Never noticed that trains can sell alcoholic beverages regardless of the day or time?

Aren't they exempt from Licencing laws?

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:52 pm

Something like that - it's legal to drink on a train, however it is illegal to 'be intoxicated on the railways', meaning moderation is fine, but if you're ratarsed, they can stop you boarding/throw you off/arrest you.

slipdigby · Post by **slipdigby** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:54 pm

nwallace wrote:Never noticed that trains can sell alcoholic beverages regardless of the day or time?

Aren't they exempt from Licencing laws?

Exactly. Despite recent suggestions by Anthony H Blair's mob, drinking alcohol remains legal on trains unless a specific bylaw or exemption exists (such as on football trains, etc).

And long may it remain legal to have a few beers on the way home, one of the pleasures of rail travel

Slip

davidaward · Post by **davidaward** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:14 pm

I thought the booze would have had to have been purchased on board though. I didn't see a buffet on that 142!- sounds a lethal combination to me!

samuelbennett · Post by **samuelbennett** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:16 pm

remembered this gem from rail cops its when there was probhition office following a regular and one of the question what happens if there is someone on tube with a can of bozze the regular female office reply that it is taking a intoxicating substance and can be evicted at the officers decsgress some goes for colds as it a against a bylaw to use the tube with a contigeous dease sorry for the mispelling

AlanP46 · Post by **AlanP46** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:21 pm

davidaward wrote:I thought the booze would have had to have been purchased on board though. I didn't see a buffet on that 142!- sounds a lethal combination to me!

I've enjoyed a pint of Ale (in a bottle) on a pacer before now.

highterrace · Post by **highterrace** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:42 am

And I've to recycle an empty beer bottle when some meathead blocked the bog.

danielw2599 · Post by **danielw2599** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:51 am

allypally wrote:Something like that - it's legal to drink on a train, however it is illegal to 'be intoxicated on the railways', meaning moderation is fine, but if you're ratarsed, they can stop you boarding/throw you off/arrest you.

Exactly the same for Airlines. Never really did understand it

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:34 am

barrybryce01475 wrote:Well, nearly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/camb ... 786912.stm

Well thats an interesting story.
There should be more to it than the simple facts the BBC are giving. I certainly hope there is, otherwise its a pretty tricky thing to defend from BTP's position.
By law offences are not really arrestable offences (although the new SOCA that came into effect on Jan 1st makes virtually any offence and arrestable offence if you 'need' to).
I would hope that the bloke in question had messed them about, and either refused to quit, refused to give details or gave hooky details, but on the face of it, arrest does not seem to have been the best option.
The article does say he was arrested and charged, but I wonder if he was just 'reported' at the time ? That would make much more sense. Theres no need for an arrest, as theres no evidence to get, not really a victim that needs a statement taken from.

Post by **martinhodgson** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:39 am

danielw2599 wrote:
allypally wrote:Something like that - it's legal to drink on a train, however it is illegal to 'be intoxicated on the railways', meaning moderation is fine, but if you're ratarsed, they can stop you boarding/throw you off/arrest you.
Exactly the same for Airlines. Never really did understand it

I'd imagine airlines get away with it because they are in international airspace when the drinks are served. The drinks trolleys are bonded and sealed while on the ground.

Chris23 · Post by **Chris23** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:59 am

Railways have always sold drink which I have always thought was an odd exception to the drinking & licencing laws. I think the same might apply to boats as I remember a tour boat that used to sail up & down the Mersey at Liverpool on a Sunday afternoon. Strange thing was it sailed after the pubs shut, served drinks all afternoon & got back before the pubs opened for the evening.

Drunken yobs are unpleasant on trains but expecting police to do anything about the problem is unlikely unless they hit someone or something similar. Train guards & bus drivers keep well away from them & in all honesty I don't blame them. One official against a bunch of yobs is not good odds.

Lets be honest drunken yobs are unpleasant wherever they occur, be it on a train, in the park, walking down the road toward you etc etc etc. Rules will not stop them.

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:07 am

Chris23 wrote:Train guards & bus drivers keep well away from them & in all honesty I don't blame them. One official against a bunch of yobs is not good odds.

And to be 100% fair, so would I if were one of them too.

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