Grange, Hall Castle, King what class is the best

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:22 pm

Now that would be an idea! Perhaps we can persaude Bressingham to make that thier next project after Royal Scot?

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:57 pm

The thread was about favourite engines in the first place.

No it wasn't. It was about GWR locomotives, and which people preferred. Yourself, in a baggy6233 style obsession, just had to include that apple green pacific in your post. It was annoying with baggys 6233 obsession, and annoying now. Accept that people don't have to like what you do, and are that they entitled to say their opinion on 4472, A4s, or whatever reached 100mph first, without you crashing down on them like a ton of bricks in an attempt to 'improve the mind'...

David

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:07 pm

Best GWR engine: any scrapped one.

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:10 pm

I do accept that people don't have to like 4472. I'm not attempting to imporve their minds. But if they're expressing their opinions I see no reason why I shouldn't express mine.
I know exactly what the poll was about, and the options it gave. I voted none in the poll and used the post to justify my choice, as one does. If I'd known the discussion it would lead to I would not have done. It was intended as a little joke, and I can see now it's gone too far-but hindsight does make one very clever. Lots of other people entered into the discussion too and I don't see you complaining to them. They said what they thought, I said what I thought. That's what forums are for. As I say, I recognise it went a bit far so after your comments of ten posts ago I tried to make amends by wrapping up the discussion and moveing on. I can't see why you're still grumbling.

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:48 pm

MuzTrem wrote:Lots of other people entered into the discussion too and I don't see you complaining to them.

Emphasis on the lots Murray. I'm sorry to say this, but if you look at the number of posts in the thread - you probably make up about 40% - all about tha damn green thing.

You are in danger of becoming another baggy - please don't

(at least he was obsessive about a good engine

)

trainmad · Post by **trainmad** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:00 pm

JonPotter wrote:at least he was obsessive about a good engine

Eh?

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:09 pm

Well, better than anything apple green

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:28 pm

right lets see this is gonna be a long post.

Kings X - Copenhagen Gardens 15MPH
CG - Gasworks Tunnel 65mph (45mph before 1985)
Gasworks - Finsbury Park 90mph
Finsbury Park - Welwyn Garden City 115mph (100 pre 1985)
Welwyn Garden City - Woolmer Green 90 - 115mph (90mph pre 1985)
Woolmer Green - Stevenage 115mph (100 pre 1985)
Stevenage - 1 mile before hitchin 125mph (100 pre 1985)
Hitchin station and Cambridge Xing 115mph (60mph pre 1985)
Hitchin - St Noets 125mph (100 pre 1985)
St noets Station limit 100mph (45 - 60mph pre 1985)
St Neots - Peterborough Nene river bridge 125mph (100 pre 1985)
Peterborough Station Dn fast 115mph (90 pre 1985)
Peterborough - Stoke summit 115mph (95mph pre 1985, 126 unofficially)
Stoke summit - Retford 125, 115 for newark (100, 75 for newark)

Retform north i couldnt tell you i havent read that for yet. But with calculations and Water scoop dragging Speed slacks and junctions scotsman never achieved regular 100mph and only averaged 77mph with an estimated top speed of 100 not an exact top speed.

Just for the record the best alround preserved engine to run is now the Duke of Gloucster as its smashed Sunderlands record on shap, something scotsman would never do.

THIS IS A GWR RELATED THREAD LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY

If you wanna argue about scotsman and lanky go else where.

Whitemoor · Post by **Whitemoor** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:36 pm

jimmyladd wrote:Why does every good argument have to sink to the most base common denominator? This thread starts off with a discussion about which GWR locomotives were the best, and ends up moaning about Tommy Tank....how sad

he he he he lighten up me was joking

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:22 pm

salopiangrowler wrote:But with calculations and Water scoop dragging Speed slacks and junctions scotsman never achieved regular 100mph and only averaged 77mph with an estimated top speed of 100 not an exact top speed.

Just when are we talking about? As I understand railway history, 4472 was the first steam locomotive to reach an authenticated 100mph, and that was in the twenties. What it's done since, and in preservation, will never alter that fact.

Just for the record the best alround preserved engine to run is now the Duke of Gloucster as its smashed Sunderlands record on shap, something scotsman would never do.

But you're comparing apples to oranges again. Scotsman (and all the A1/A3 and A4 engines) was designed for fast, high speed express trains on comparatively flat track. 71000 was designed as a replacement for a four-pot Duchess almost thirty years after Scotsman, for different route conditions and using vastly different technology. It's a bit like saying a Derby winner isn't much good at pulling a wagon load of beer uphill.

THIS IS A GWR RELATED THREAD LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY

If you wanna argue about scotsman and lanky go else where.

But this thread stopped being GWR related two pages back - and you haven't exactly kept it GWR related yourself - do I detect a small case of mutually insulting cookware here?

I personally cannot see the point in a thread related to comparing the relative worth of several unequal classes of locomotive of a single company anyway. The various classes listed in the poll were designed by different men for different duties, and therefore bear little comparison.
Were the initial question to have been to ask for personal preferences, with reasons, between differing locos from different companies, but with similar characteristics, it might have been a more equal, informative, and lively discussion.

Just my four penn'orth...

Regards all,

Barry

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:36 pm

JonPotter wrote:Emphasis on the lots Murray. I'm sorry to say this, but if you look at the number of posts in the thread - you probably make up about 40% - all about tha damn green thing.

Well I would have left it at one if other people hadb't dragged on what was intended as a little joke similar to arabiandisco's

Best GWR engine: any scrapped one.

JonPotter wrote:You are in danger of becoming another baggy - please don't (at least he was obsessive about a good engine )

I didn't mean to become obsessive about Scotsman in this thread. As I say, others entered into the discussion and I just wanted to uphold my side of the argument.

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:08 pm

True, very true. Sorry

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:17 am

Yes murray but i think the arguement went alittle overboard.

I know the GWR side of the thread dissappeared 2 pages back, and i think muray knows why.

If you know its a GWR related thread then why start Arguing over Some tin heap that cant climb hills without slipping.

Anyway like ive said many times it aint the engine its the driver and firemans performance at the time.

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:12 am

I din't mean to start arguing over Scotsman, as I say it was meant as a silly joke and it just ended up going too far.
And I won't rise to the bait of your "tin heap" comment.

oldrocker · Post by **oldrocker** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:30 pm

Just a thought about Flying Scotsman . . do you think that back in the early days, maybe even before preservation, maybe even now, 'Joe Public' confused the loco with the 10.00 departure?

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