Grange, Hall Castle, King what class is the best

fairlie · Post by **fairlie** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:39 pm

Personally i'm sick to death of 4472. It's become so bloomin stale it's not even funny. It's restored over and over again... why don't NRM put the money into something else? So what if it's the "World's most famous steam locomotive", just bung it in with Mallard and everyone will be happy.

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:51 pm

Amen! I wish I could forget it - sadly everytime I go anywhere with Murray the whole journey turns into an argument about that damn loco!

I wish Scotsman was in the great hall - then I wouldn't have to read about it breaking down!!!

I think they should restore something more important!

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:56 pm

I agree with you, Scotsmans had far too long in the limelight. Its just another express loco at heart.....should be stuffed and mounted!

David

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:47 pm

farlie wrote:So what if it's the "World's most famous steam locomotive", just bung it in with Mallard and everyone will be happy.

JonPotter wrote:I think they should restore something more important!

rwaceyw wrote:Its just another express loco at heart.....should be stuffed and mounted!

You're forgetting that, ancinet LMS/LNER rivalry aside, Flying Scotsman is the worlds most famous steam locomotive and thus is better known to Joe Public than most engines. Joe Public will be more likeley to fork out to ride behind Scotsman than most engines-perhaps not as much as Tony Marchington thought, but all the same they do. And it must be remembered that if working steam is to survive, we do need to woo the public as well as enthusiasts. The NRM made good money from it's Scarbourgh trips with Scotsman-and that money could be put towards restoring something Jon considers to be "more important". The NRM have already said that Scotsman will be exempt from certain conservation rules so she can keep running because they recognise her immense public appeal-she is the peoples engine now and as long as Britain has railways Scotsman will, like it or not, continue to run on them. Whatever your particular railway company allegiance, for Joe Public Scotsman is THE symbol of the great age of steam-and if she's doing a good job flying the flag for us, there's no point stuffing and mounting her. Let her have Joe Public's limelight, and if enthusiasts get tired of her they don't have to travel behind her.

fairlie · Post by **fairlie** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:57 pm

Flying the Flag? Didn't Green Arrow or the Peak deputise for a lot of the Ride the Legend trips? One of the main reasons Scotsman has public appeal is of the big media campaign that was done to keep it in this country. Otherwise, it would be in another continent, and people would recongnise Thomas or Mallard as the most famous loco in the country.

By the way, I have no company allegiance...

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:03 pm

She was famous long before that. The LNER did after all make a big deal of her exploits at Wembly, on the first non-stop Flying Sctosman and as the first 100mph loco. And Alan Peglar did a great job of publicsing her too, especially on the American tour-where she was flying the flag not just for our steam but our whole nation. Yes Flying Scotsman was unavailble for some of the Ride the Ledgend trips-but the point is they came for Scotsman even if they didn't get her. The recent campaign provide alot of great publicity for Scotsman-but the national broadsheets featured Marchington's overhaul as well, and indeed she's been in the news countless times before that. And Flying Scotsman wouldn't be on another continent even if the appeal had failed-the government would have imposed a three month export ban to give the NRM the time to raise the extra cash.
As for Mallard and Thomas-Mallard is famous, but in preservation she's mostly been stuffed and mounted at York so she hasn't had the same media exposure Scotsman had while she continued to break records. And Thomas dosn't count because he's not real.

Whitemoor · Post by **Whitemoor** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:19 pm

what do 9Fs fall under........9Fs??

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:23 pm

And Flying Scotsman wouldn't be on another continent even if the appeal had failed-the government would have imposed a three month export ban to give the NRM the time to raise the extra cash.

To be honest, with the current government, I don't think they'd have cared, and if FS had been sold overseas, it would have gone.

We do understand your coming from a strong LNER bias though, but is it possible to hop down from your high horse, come down here and join in the intelligent discussion we had going before 'The Peoples Favourite Engine' rolled on in?

David

Whitemoor · Post by **Whitemoor** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:23 pm

MuzTrem wrote:And Thomas dosn't count because he's not real.

So....Thomas isint real, what about percy and gordon and james, dont say things like that, im, im, very upset now

fairlie · Post by **fairlie** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:53 pm

Thomas is real, in a commercial sense. Thomas events make the most money for preserved railways....

Whitemoor · Post by **Whitemoor** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:59 pm

what about poor old james and percy....this is favoritism!

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:24 am

Why does every good argument have to sink to the most base common denominator? This thread starts off with a discussion about which GWR locomotives were the best, and ends up moaning about Tommy Tank....how sad

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:46 pm

Sorry this goes back into the topic - but Murray - you have to understand that the life of the railway is over. Noone will know what Flying Scotsman is anymore - except those over 40 and enthusiasts.

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:48 pm

rwaceyw wrote:We do understand your coming from a strong LNER bias though, but is it possible to hop down from your high horse, come down here and join in the intelligent discussion we had going before 'The Peoples Favourite Engine' rolled on in?

*Sigh*
The thread was about favourite engines in the first place. All I said was that mine was Scotsman. I would have left it at that if Jon hadn't replied to it, thus leading me to reply and it all went from there. (Before you accuse me of transfering the blame to him-I'm not trying to.) I'm quite happy to leave it here if everyone else is, but if somebosy else continues the discussion I just feel I have a right to reply to them.
And just to round off-Jon I've already made my point about Scotsman's media exposure so I won't repeat myself.

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:30 pm

as I can't telll the difference between one brunswick green 4-6-0 with cast numbers and another, my vote would only ever go to something in beautifully polished Royal Blue and vermilion... like an unrebuilt T-19, perhaps???

Speaking of the country's best railway company (says he, ducking and running as quick as his old legs will carry him), when will we ever get to see 490 in steam from the NRM, I wonder?

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