Grange, Hall Castle, King what class is the best

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:01 pm

salopiangrowler wrote:Cheltenham Flyer was born before the Flying Scotsman express and the cheltenham flyer was were truro broke the record a few years before scotsman did. i bet you a king or castle have done it during the swap me your loco trails.

Oh dear oh dear. Time for a history lesson....
Truro alledgedly broke the record in 1904 on the Ocean Mails. Yes Pendenis Castle put up some impressive performances during the 1924 loco trails, but they were on service trains so would not have called for the drivers to even try for 100mph. Also, the Chletenham Flyer was started in 1923-the 10am departure from Kings Cross has been known as the Flying Scotsman since the 19th centuary.
David-a lanky highflyer alledegly did it first-Midland compunds couldn't have handled it on a regualr basis-no corridor tenders, must've been hell for the crews! And London-Edinbourgh non-stop wasn't really necessary either-but oh the publicity....
Right children, put away your books and stand behind your chairs.....

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:17 pm

David-a lanky highflyer alledegly did it

More proof than truro's attempt has anyway.

David

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:30 pm

rwaceyw wrote:
David-a lanky highflyer alledegly did it
More proof than truro's attempt has anyway.

David

Hell yes! C-O-T did a ton? dont make me laugh......

davidaward · Post by **davidaward** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:48 am

jimmyladd wrote:
rwaceyw wrote:
David-a lanky highflyer alledegly did it
More proof than truro's attempt has anyway.

David
Hell yes! C-O-T did a ton? dont make me laugh......

Yep comparing the 2 locos, which is the more likely technically, my money is with the lanky!, which also did it on flat ground without the aid of a long downhill gradient. Technical analysis has shown that Truro would probably come off the rails at 95 mph!

[/quote]Midland compunds couldn't have handled it on a regualr basis-no corridor tenders, must've been hell for the crews[/quote]

I know, but it still did it before Scotsman- you can't deny that!

i love a good debate!

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:57 pm

Murray's highly opionated when it come to the LNER issue - trust me - I've had days of non-stop arguing with him

I think Scotsman probably did do it first, but Murray bangs on just a little!

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:59 pm

Joke BTW!

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:01 pm

JonPotter wrote:I think Scotsman probably did do it first, but Murray bangs on just a little!

Aye, it's true. But it's great fun rubbing it in to LMS fans

raceyw wrote:More proof than truro's attempt has anyway.

But less than Scotsmans.

davidaward wrote:I know, but it still did it before Scotsman- you can't deny that!

It's true I can't. It's also true that you can't deny the words on the plaque on her centre splasher::

On August 8th 1989 this locomotive achieved the worlds longest non-stop run for steam traction of 422 miles 7.59 chains between Parkes and Broken Hill in New South Wales Australia.

I'd like to see a Midland Compound do that!

davidaward wrote:i love a good debate!

We do at least agree on that!

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:21 pm

Scotsmans is proved, but 40 years after the highflyers...so nowhere near the first i'm afraid

On August 8th 1989 this locomotive achieved the worlds longest non-stop run for steam traction of 422 miles 7.59 chains between Parkes and Broken Hill in New South Wales Australia.

Whats that got to do with 100mph? Looks like your trying to scrape the bottom of the barrell for facts like "oh, it did do this" which have no relevence at all, and it ain't working

David

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:43 pm

Yeah but atleast we have the ashes

I dont care about world records its british records we are going for now. and scotsman did it sown a 1 - 188 mallard did it down stoke bank, truro nearly did it on a flat and lanky definitly did it on a flat.

The German kettles were doing it all the time.

If it wasnt for the tapper boiler founder by the great man of swindon none of us would be doing it.

davidaward · Post by **davidaward** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:02 am

rwaceyw wrote:Scotsmans is proved, but 40 years after the highflyers...so nowhere near the first i'm afraid

On August 8th 1989 this locomotive achieved the worlds longest non-stop run for steam traction of 422 miles 7.59 chains between Parkes and Broken Hill in New South Wales Australia.
Whats that got to do with 100mph? Looks like your trying to scrape the bottom of the barrell for facts like "oh, it did do this" which have no relevence at all, and it ain't working

David

Regardless of whether it did any silly non-stop record in Oz or not, it ain't capable of doing much now- besides it may break the non stop, being in such dogy mechanical condition the brakes probably don't work!

Plus I don't get the argument that no other loco could do that- give them a water carrier and anything could beat that!

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:03 pm

rwaceyw wrote:Scotsmans is proved, but 40 years after the highflyers...so nowhere near the first i'm afraid

Prove that the LYR Highflyer did it and I'll belive it's the first. Until you can (and you never will unless you invent a time machine), Scotsman was the first and so far as I'm concerned that's the end of the matter.

rwaceyw wrote:Whats that got to do with 100mph? Looks like your trying to scrape the bottom of the barrell for facts like "oh, it did do this" which have no relevence at all, and it ain't working

It's got nothing to do with 100mph. If you'd read David Ward's post properly you'd know that I posted it in relation to his remarks about Midland Compounds doing London to Edinbourgh non-stop.
Get it right.....

davidaward wrote:Regardless of whether it did any silly non-stop record in Oz or not, it ain't capable of doing much now- besides it may break the non stop, being in such dogy mechanical condition the brakes probably don't work!

Once the NRM's repaired the damage done by FSR she'll be ready to take on the world again, you wait and see!

davidaward wrote:Plus I don't get the argument that no other loco could do that- give them a water carrier and anything could beat that!

I'll belive it when I see it.....

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:20 pm

Scotsman has never been an overly great performer anyway! Not sure how much of it's problem is repairable!

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:27 pm

All the problems are fixable. And you're saying 100mph or 422 miles non stop weren't overly great performances?

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:29 pm

No. I'm saying it's always had a tendency to break down a lot.

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:36 pm

She didn't have an abnormal number of breakdowns in LNER/BR service, she was impeccable during Pegler ownership (just one failure in service, nd that was due to GWR militants sabotaging her), went through her entire US tour without any major failures, and was very good during McAlpine's years as well. It was only during the 1990s that her reputation became tarnished, due to unusual wear during her preserved lines tour in the early 90s and the subsequent FSR fiasco. And you're saying she's always had a reputation for breaking down?

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