East Lancs Jinty

leedavo · Post by **leedavo** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:12 am

I was wondering if the East Lancashire Railway has returned it's Jinty (number 47324) has return to passenger traffic yet. I now that it has been in steam since March, but wasn't sure about weather it has been in passenger service.
I hope someone can help!

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:43 pm

yeas it has, although it wasn't running this weekend...sounds bloody awfull though, so it might be stopped at the moment.

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:50 pm

No it hasn't

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The Jinty's restoration has officialy ending, but currently every time we try and run her she fails! Shes ran on one or two passenger turns, but to be honest shes quite useless for our line!

It was February she returned by the way!

David

rorz101uk · Post by **rorz101uk** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:58 pm

rwaceyw wrote:No it hasn't .

The Jinty's restoration has officialy ending, but currently every time we try and run her she fails! Shes ran on one or two passenger turns, but to be honest shes quite useless for our line!

It was February she returned by the way!

David

hmm david yu'll be eating your words mate, 78019 is still going!

trainmad · Post by **trainmad** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:36 am

Wonder why it failed?

*Runs and hides*

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:44 am

what has 78019 got to do with the ELR Jinty?

rorz101uk · Post by **rorz101uk** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:56 pm

david thinks the GCR donesn't do good overhauls!

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:07 pm

They don't.

45231 is a heap, and that was done at Loughborough wasn't it? Give it 5 coaches and you crawl up the bank out of Alton at walking pace once you're at the summit. Which is utterly pathetic performance for a 5MT. 41312 (2MT Tank) can do it much better, and 73096 (another 5MT, though a Riddles rather than a Stanier) doesn't notice when you have load 7.

rorz101uk · Post by **rorz101uk** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:11 pm

one thing mate everyone is forgetting that 45231 wasn't overhaul by the engineeres that are paided at the GCR, the man that brought 45231 is the one that overhaul not the GCR! so there! get your fact right

sootyxfd · Post by **sootyxfd** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:20 pm

45231 is owned by Burt Hitchen and was not overhauled by our own very highy skilled enginers

on the other hand 45305 which has been aclaimed "the best black 5 on the mainline" is performing flourlessly and i lookforward to traveling behind her in September, this lcocmotive like 78019 was restored by our GCR enginers and are both running well, even though 45305 did have a few teathing problems, there was never any problem with power, i can asure you

regarding 45231s lack of power, i think i know why but if i went into it , i could get took to court with slander or somthing like

cheers

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:20 pm

It was done at Loughborough and is completely gutless. This Jinty (it seems) was also done at Loughborough and fails every time they fill the boiler with water. I know enough about steam engine restoration to know that one man can't do it alone.

Regardless of which personnel overhauled them, two locomotives recently overhauled at the GCR are incapable of pulling the skin off a rice pudding. You could take your blinkers off and admit that this is not something that's going to improve their reputation, and as such I'm not going to change my opinion until they outshop an engine that can get up a hill with more than just it's tender in tow.

sootyxfd · Post by **sootyxfd** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:46 pm

the gcr did no work on 45231

45305 has proved otrs self by doing 8 carrages and the peak on the rear (for testing) and i know it did 60 restored by the gcr

45231 on the other hand when it did a test had assistance with 78019 and it was only an 8 coach train

78019 has pulled 8 on the gcr with no problems, this was restored by the LSLG

and the elr jinty was never touched by the gcr lads, i guess its a Rilye project, not that im biased but that says it all

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:12 pm

Fair enough, I may have been reading stuff between the lines that wasn't there regarding the Jinty.

I'm still thoroughly unimpressed with 45231 though and I reckon they botched the overhaul completely (Not such that it's unsafe, just that it performs terribly). All I know on that subject is that it was done "at the GCR", I don't know how many different groups there are who work on locos and who is ultimately responsible for quality control when things are released to traffic. Whoever said that 45231 was fit for traffic was, well, wrong. IMO. Allegedly.

Never seen 45305, so no comment there.

sootyxfd · Post by **sootyxfd** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:14 pm

yepo she was ok when she left but i guess thing are just getting worse

rorz101uk · Post by **rorz101uk** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:16 pm

lets just leave it there now