Pendolinos and there problems

[salopiangrowler]

Yes the pendo's do have problems heres a list:

They Smell bad when being towed out of birmingham new street towards wolverhampton.

The toilets are starting to be out of order halfway through the train.

Dodgy suspension (the one i was on had)

brakes starting to spueal.

Wont be long before they need overhauling.

[tigermon]

Yes the pendo's do have problems heres a list:

They Smell bad when being towed out of birmingham new street towards wolverhampton.

The toilets are starting to be out of order halfway through the train.

Dodgy suspension (the one i was on had)

brakes starting to spueal.

Wont be long before they need overhauling.

They smell bad when being towed because of Diesel Exhaust fumes getting into the Air Con, and also because the Toilet Retention Tanks are onboard, instead of outside the Passenger compartment.

If the toilets are out of order halfway through the train, go to the other end (Bad grammar on your behalf)

The dodgy suspension is actually the Tilt, it's because the Pendolino can tilt to go around corners an ickle bit faster that normal trains, so it's supposed to have suspension like that.

I always thaught all Friction Brakes had a lovely squeal to them.....

And they dont paticularly need an overhaul, because an overhaul wont do anything, all they need is some seat rearranging.

[arabiandisco]

I've only had one pendo-trip, and it was a pretty rubbish experience. No comments on the toilets, as I didn't use them. What I didn't like was the fact that there's no shoulder room (I appreciate this is because of the tilt body profile), and the windows are tiny, which combines with the ridiculously low overhead luggage rack to give a claustrophobic atmosphere.

There's also far too much first class, and not enough standard.

Tilt was impressive though the weedon curves, I have to admit.

[jpantera]

I've only had one pendo-trip, and it was a pretty rubbish experience. No comments on the toilets, as I didn't use them. What I didn't like was the fact that there's no shoulder room (I appreciate this is because of the tilt body profile), and the windows are tiny, which combines with the ridiculously low overhead luggage rack to give a claustrophobic atmosphere.

There's also far too much first class, and not enough standard.

Tilt was impressive though the weedon curves, I have to admit.

I agree they are a rancid experience but hey thats progress. Every other day there seems to be a letter in the Liverpool Echo complaining about how rubbish in general they are.

My suggestion is give the MK3s a full refurb flog the Pendos to Amtrak and the Voyagers too give us our real trains back.

[arabiandisco]

they would be a million times better if they had bigger windows. Siemens understand this - the windows on desiros are huge, and the SWT version at least has a pretty decent atmosphere on board as a result of there being lots of natural light.

I'm not against new replacing old per se, and a lot of the pendolino's problems are the usual teething issues that "real trains" had when they were brand new. the appalling interior atmosphere is just bad design/ specification, and is not something that can be rectified until they are completely refurbished. And I don't know if the windows can be sorted out even then.

[jonathanmlewis]

Wont be long before they need overhauling.

A one way trip to a scrap yard would be better

[salopiangrowler]

no give them there due they are alot better than the voyagers.

The aircon vents supposed to close in a tunnel as shown when being hauled the pendo only stank through new street tnnel on the down stour.

[1288gaje]

Wont be long before they need overhauling.

A one way trip to a scrap yard would be better

and the money going to the trash!!

[petermakosch]

Erm, I really don't understand these Anti-Pendolino people.
I'd rather travel in style than on an old train that looks like it was made in the 1970's - wait a minute! They WERE made then.

If you want old trains, then tough, lol - things change, get used to them
(Although saying that, I wonder what i'll be like if they replace trains I like?)

[barrymcguire9999]

A lot of it is the name written on the side, probably if GNER (as an example, no TOC in particular really) ran them, no one would say a word my sig below is dedicated to those people

[chrispierce]

I've travel a few time between London to Milton Keynes on them, and there excellent! Wonderful acceleration. comfortable seats, and great air con. mind you i did go first class.
I once did london to carlisle and back on virgin a year ago, went in a MK2 and the seats were really nice and spacious, the ride was a little bouncy. But as experiences go, I'd have a MK2. But sadly great railway experiences count for nout in the modern business world. If you want to get somewhere quickly just get used to them, or save up for a rail tour.

[Elojikal]

It has to be said most modern trains, especially from the 80's onwards don't have particularly well designed interiors. They seem to have a "pack 'em in" mentality to seating and its corresponding arrangement in relation to the windows and of course the window dimensions themselves.

[nwallace]

It was once commented that,
European car manufacturers seem to be giving the occupants less and less space as the years go on, yet the Asian manufacturers are making cars with loads of leg room and head room.

Why does this seem strange?
The Average European Male is 5' 9"
The Average Japanese Male is 5' 5"
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encycl ... height.htm

[barrybryce01475]

I am doing Milton Keynes to Glasgow on Thursday - so I expect I'll find out what I think of them...

After my last heaven knows how many experiences of Virgin, I'll be over the moon if I get a seat. I thought Voyagers were rotten until I made a journey on which I actually got a seat, then I started to think they had the potential to be quite nice.

[jonathanmlewis]

Erm, I really don't understand these Anti-Pendolino people.
I'd rather travel in style than on an old train that looks like it was made in the 1970's - wait a minute! They WERE made then.

If you want old trains, then tough, lol - things change, get used to them
(Although saying that, I wonder what I'll be like if they replace trains I like?)

Because all a pendo is is the inside of an airplane scaled down to fit inside a scaled down Italian tilting train so no wonder they have no space.

I have NEVER heard anyone complain about a Mk3 or Mk2 but even a lot of passengers complain about pendo because they don't like them...

Also British Rail would of never ordered a unit that can go over 100mph as it was against a safety rule and Virgin were the first to break this...

And what was the point of spending 8 billion yes that £8,000,000,000 on saving 20 minutes going London - Manchester...

And if you want to get somewhere quicker in 2005 you fly in a plane which has more leg room and better seats from a pendo and it is quicker.

And another thing that Virgin have done is only given point to point rail service and now it is almost impossible to go from places like Rugby to Nuneaton or even Rugby to Stafford and if you are lucky enough to get the train of the day you will have to stand as first class will be empty and second will be full as too much of the train is first.

And that enough reasons without looking at the reliability of a pendo compared to an 87. The only reason 87's have became more unreliable is because they have not been looking after very well...

Lets just hope Virgin pull out of the Rail industry soon before they mess any more up!

And I fell sorry for anyone that lives on the WCML and has to put up with Pendo's as I live in the GWML and have nice HST Mk3s which no one ever complains about and there 30 years old and people would believe it if you said they were 5 years old!

LONG LIVE PROPER TRAINS