re-streamlining Duchess of Hamilton.

[Frellis]

Personally, I dont like the idea.
The Duchess is my favourite loco and seeing as how Duchess of Sutherland always seems to be in LMS marroon I think it would be better if Hamilton was left as it is and a mock up of the streamlined loco put next to it.
However if it does go ahead and they put her into main line working in that guise I think that they should go the full monty and paint it's train in the streamlined livery. If your gonna do something at least do it right, eh?



Cheers
FRED

[Frellis]

i cant believe it I accidentally clicked the yes button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a plonker!!!!
I meant no. Honestly

[Christopher125]

Hi

What do you mean by 'its always in LMS maroon', It will be when the streamlining is put on. Also, its only really a mock up, and the engine needs an overhaul anyway so it isn't going anywhere. Which brings me on to my next question, it hasn't got 'its own train', so it would be a bit hard to repaint! Are you sure you're not getting confused with Duchess of Sutherland?

Personally, I think its good that one duchess should be non-streamlined, with the other streamlined, because then people can compare them. Also, it will look good when it is sitting next to Mallard.

Chris

[LNERandBR]

I think that they should get Duchess of Hamilton re-streamlined.
Then they should get both Mallard and Duchess of Hamilton on the Mainline and compare them.

[davidaward]

I have never seen a streamlined Duchess (obviously) and would like to do so, having read all the articles etc about 'how much better the LNER streamlining was', I would like to make up my mind first hand!

[LNERandBR]

they should have wind tunnel tests to see whose streamlineing was most effective.

Somehow I think that the LNER's steamlineing will be better
(but then I'm biest towards the LNER )

[davidaward]

they should have wind tunnel tests to see whose streamlineing was most effective.

Somehow I think that the LNER's steamlineing will be better
(but then I'm biest towards the LNER )

And i'm biassed the other way

Mind you anything beats the 'bullet smokebox' attempt of the GWR on streamlining!

[LNERandBR]

Mind you anything beats the 'bullet smokebox' attempt of the GWR on streamlining!

Never heard of it can u enlighten me

[arabiandisco]

I expect the bullet nose GWR steamlining was more effective than Mr Bullied's "air-smoothed" casing. Vastly uglier, though.

If you want a streamlined kettle, then an A4 is the answer, IMO.

[LNERandBR]

I expect the bullet nose GWR steamlining was more effective than Mr Bullied's "air-smoothed" casing. Vastly uglier, though.

Bullied's air-smoothed caceing wasent streamlineing as it was designed to allow the locos to pass though mecanised washing plants.

[arabiandisco]

but it didn't work for that either! And it made fitters lives harder. All in all, it wasn't a fabulous innovation. Though the most attractive kettle there is is a spamcan IMO.

The GWR streamlining was basically a hemisphere on the smokebox, and plasticine smeared into places where turbulence would occur - behind the chimney/ safety valve cover, and enclocinsg the valve gear. Cab fronts were also angled, and individual splashers were replaced with one long one - as seen on the "county" class. I believe the CME (whoever it was) designed the streamlining by smearing plasticine onto a model... It was applied to one Castle class and one King, though I don't know which ones.

[LNERandBR]

kettle

Why do you call Steam locomotives kettles. There much more than a kettle on wheels with a steam loco you carnt just push a putton pull a little leaver and go. You need to raize steam, set the cut off and lodes of things before you can move.

[arabiandisco]

the same reason I call unrebuilt Bullieds "spamcans" and class 45s "peaks".

Kettles are complicated things to drive (even more complicated if you're the fireman, IMO), but a widely used nickname for a steam locomotive is Kettle.

Anyway, as we diesel preservationists say, anyone can boil a kettle, but it takes an engineer to control explosions. And of course, when the kettle boys are cleaning out the ash and rubbish, you press the stop button in a diesel and you're in the pub 15 minutes later...

[petermakosch]

i cant believe it I accidentally clicked the yes button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a plonker!!!!
I meant no. Honestly

Hahaha!!

is there a photo of the train somewhere, and then one of what they're thinking of doing to it?

[eddief]

I said yes because in all honesty Hamilton has no chance of getting back on the main line as it stands. It will need a vast some of money spent on it (£250,000 at least) and the NRM will not be able to get that sort of money when Sutherland is already out there (the lottery paid for Sutherlands restoration so they won't pay for Hamilton) and most enthusiasts won't pay for Hamilton for the same reason. Therefore Hamilton's only chance to run again is with the streamlined casing for 10 years at least (due to its unique status it could get enough workings to pay for another overhaul, plus it would give the NRM a new smokebox so they could run her in he recently de-streamlined format).