BR (SR) DC EMU Liveries

[rufuskins]

I am trying to put together a simple timeline and details for liveries to the above, but so far in my limited internet searches I am struggling to find the relevant information.

I would therefore be grateful if anyone can point me to the best reference source to both livery and dates - I was considering buying a second hand copy of Haresnape's Fleet Survey Vol 10 (3rd Rail EMUs). Obviously on-line sources would be more economic.

In hope, Ruf

PS Am I asking for too much? I hope not!

[welshdave]

Hi,

I have a copy of this book, but I'm not sure it has that much in it that could help you with regards to liveries - I'll have a look at it tonight.
If you like, I could lend it to you - drop me a PM if you're interested. But in the meantime, I'll get back to you at some point if it has anything you might be able to use.

Regards

Dave Randles

[rufuskins]

Thanks for the reply.

You have a PM.

Ruf

[rufuskins]

Illustrated below is a prelimary EXCEL file for the 400 DC series livery timeline:-



It is obviously incomplete and is being developed as I root out more information, however if anyone can add to it or correct any errors I would be very grateful?

I will also be trying to include some of the temporary formations and re-used Class references

Ruf

[rufuskins]

I have now further updated my "spreadsheet" for the above, but as can be seen there are still numerous question marks.

As before I would be very grateful for any information on liveries for these units; e.g. the 4REP was initially turned out in BR Blue but were the relevant 4TC units also turned out in this livery?

I am still developing a spreadsheet for the basic information that can be used to develop the ENGine and WAGon file data, and I will shortly be seeking information to fill in any blanks - there are many so far!!



Many thanks in anticipation, Ruf

[yerkes]

Hi Ruf,

Some responses which I think are correct:

410/412: Also NSE
411: Also 'JaffaCake', SWT and (for one unit) Connex
415: Also BRBG and NSE
416: Also BRBG and NSE
419: Also 'JaffaCake'
421: Also NSE, SWT, Connex and Southern. I'm pretty sure they never appeared in BRB.
430/2: Also NSE (e.g. the one involved in the Clapham Jct collision)
438/491/492: Also BRB and NSE
444: SWT only
445/6: BRB and a funny sort of experimental yellow (actually I'm not sure whether it was the 2PEP or 4PEP that appeared in blue - or both. The one I saw stored in Clapham yard in the 80s was, I think, the 2PEP and that was in the yellow livery).
450: SWT only
480: Not NSE

[rufuskins]

Many thanks for the answers, which will allow me to review and update my Class 400 series Trainset.

Where necessary I should be able to repaint and renumber.

Once again thank you, Ruf

[gswindale]

just to add the 460 is only in GatEx livery, whilst the 442 appeared in SWT livery for a while and is now in a GatEx livery as well.

[rufuskins]

Based on the recent posts pointing out additional livery information, I have further updated my spreadsheet to version 3



There are still some question marks, but in time I hope to clarify those.

I am continuing to develope my spreadsheet for ENGine/WAGon file data, as well as ensuring that where possible unit and individual car numbers are correct.

There are some gaps in these areas, in particular car heights but hopefully these will be clarified. In terms of the ENGine file data the biggest apparent deficiency in the data that I have found so far is that there are no tractive effort values.

Ruf

PS I am unclear as to the use of the "Jaffa Cake" livery, which I assume was the initial NSE livery? If anyone could clarify that for me I would be most grateful?

[Sector95]

The Jaffa Cake livery was indeed the initial NSE livery though it wasn't called Network SouthEast then, the sector was named London & South East. The livery was very similar to the Intercity livery of dark grey and black but it had an orange stripe. Only a small quantity of stock had it applied. I hope this is of use to you even though I don't live in England.

James.

[rufuskins]

All and any information is more than welcome, and a location outside of the UK does not disqualify the vailidity of the data.

I had not realised that the precursor to NSE - LSE - had started to develope it's own livery, etc. and I will therefore amend the spreadsheet further to show LSE as a separate entity between BR Blue Grey and NSE.

Many thanks for the comments, Ruf

[phill70]

Missed a class Ruf
508

[rufuskins]

Well yes and no!

I was initially concentrating on the EMUs in the 400 series of TOPS classes. I am treating the 500 series separately, as I will with the 300 series.

Ruf

PS It's bad enough that BR(SR) used the same TOPS class number for different units or combinations thereof; e.g.Class 422 for 4BIG and 8DIG.

[yerkes]

On Jaffa Cake, see http://www.therailwaycentre.com/EMU%20p ... /421_Jaffa - which reminds me that one 421 was painted in this livery.

If you're doing the 4xx series, you ought really to include classes 483, 485/6 and 487:

483: NSE, LT Red, 'dinosaur'
485/6: BRB, BRBG, NSE
487: BRB, NSE (also green, possibly - someone may be able to correct this)

[rufuskins]

On Jaffa Cake, see http://www.therailwaycentre.com/EMU%20p ... /421_Jaffa - which reminds me that one 421 was painted in this livery.

If you're doing the 4xx series, you ought really to include classes 483, 485/6 and 487:

483: NSE, LT Red, 'dinosaur'
485/6: BRB, BRBG, NSE
487: BRB, NSE (also green, possibly - someone may be able to correct this)

Again yes and no! I am now a bit clearer about the "Jaffa Cake" livery - see my post above.

Since I don't intend to use the ex-LT stock I have excluded them from this exercise, similarly with Waterloo and City stock.

All the same thanks for the reply, Ruf