2002 Harwich Mainingtree Route.

jolly · Post by **jolly** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:05 pm

Hi i am trying to create a 2002 harwich mainingtree route need some help can peaple like goingnorth because he lives near the route help me.

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:42 pm

whats wrong with the current 2002 route?

It's already been done.

40058 · Post by **40058** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:44 pm

and it's being extended to Colchester/Ipswich.

40058

jolly · Post by **jolly** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:49 pm

its not electified and i want it with real gantrys and electicy.

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:55 pm

Isn't the Harwich - Maningtree route none electrified?

jolly · Post by **jolly** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:00 pm

no its electified alright heres a pitcure to prove it.

http://www.tramways.com/railways/uk/br1/gb09max.jpg

and also how can anglia 86s and FGE 321s and 312s go along it which are EMUs and also i have been there.

there i have proved myself.

Post by **martinhodgson** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:06 pm

I just went and electrified it myself. took a bit, but was worth it! Used goingnorths gantries.

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:07 pm

That photo is at Maningtree which is electrified and is between London Liverpool Street and Norwich.

The branch its self isn't electrified I would of though.

The 321'S go to Ipswich.

Post by **martinhodgson** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:09 pm

Isn't it? Oh well, I enjoyed using electrics on it

Hymek · Post by **Hymek** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:14 pm

isnt manningtree the place wher that Anglia 86 self combusted Around last christmas sometime

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:21 pm

Ok i was proven wrong.

But why re-do the route when you can just add the OHL's yourself?

Horgy · Post by **Horgy** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:00 pm

What the hell is that?!?!

Horgy

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:29 pm

The Guards Van.

The only way I can explain is that it's similar to the old Gatwick Express units where you had a diesal at one end and a push pull unit the other end.

I can't remember what class it is, 489 I think, or is that the GLV?

jolly · Post by **jolly** » Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:49 am

its a DMBSO i thing thats how you spell it.
its pulls the consist from liverpool st to harwich and the anglia 86 pulls it back to liverpool st.
and one more thing can someone get me some gantry pitcures and make them or i will get the pitcures if i go there.

markw · Post by **markw** » Fri Nov 22, 2002 1:28 pm

Oh dear, oh dear oh dear....

Yes the Harwich branch is electrified and has been for some years now. The hell that is is a DBSO (Driving Brake Standard Open) which was converted by BR for the Scotrail Shuttles back in 1979, with further batches converted in 1984 and 5. When the Scotrail Shuttles were converted to 158's, the DBSO's were transferred to the Inter City services out of Liverpool Street, where the cabs were further modified into full width with no through gangway.

They work by controlling the locomotive remotely via the train lighting circuits. They are unpowered, unlike the Gatwick 489 luggage vans which retained a motor bogie, and therefore all the power comes from the 86 or 90 at the other end. That's why going from Liverpool Street to Norwich you get bumped and barged around with an 86 - the DBSO controller is less precise than the loco controller, with fewer notches, and the driver, being several hundred feet from the loco, has difficulty in matching acceleration with the old mechanical controls of the class 86. The class 90 electronic control systems should be better in this respect - certainly they are on the WCML.