One Day Continuous Running?

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 3:27 pm

Hi All,

Just an idea here :

A set of timetables + activities could be made for the NRR 5. We pick a day (pref. weekend) and we attempt to run all the services on the timetable, drivers being rostered to duties (i.e. a driver who has the 2.3. route should not be diagrammed to drive a Carlisle to Heysham activity

).

Would be quite an acheivement!

Suggested services thought up by myself taking into account the restrictions of the various termini :

1) Carlisle Citadel (East bays) > Newcastle (ALL STNS)
2) Carlisle Citadel (East bays) > Heysham Ferry via Settle (ALL STNS)
3) Carlisle Citadel (Platform 1A) > Heysham Ferry via Barrow In Furness (ALL STNS)
4) Carlisle Citadel (Platform 1B) > Lancaster via Penrith (ALL STNS)
5) Windemere > Lancaster (ALL STNS)
6) Lancaster > Heysham Ferry (ALL STNS)
7) Carlisle Citadel > Appleby > Ribblehead > Settle > Carnforth East > Barrow > Millom > Ravenglass > Whitehaven > Workington > Aspatria > Carlisle Citadel (ONLY NOTED STATIONS)

Ravenglass > Boot (ALL STNS)

Suggested traction :

1) Class 158 4 car
2) Class 47 + Mk2 (Regional)
3) Class 47 + Mk2 (Regional)
4) Class 87 + Mk2 (Express) + Class 87 (ability for quick turnaround and double the power for Shap)
5) Class 37 + Mk2 (Regional)
6) Class 142
7) HST / Class 47 + Mk2 (Regional)

Class 153

Just a suggestion... with enough organisation it *could* work

Totally unrelated : any chance of Report Duty making an apperance this year

?

baldwin · Post by **baldwin** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 7:27 pm

Sound great to me, except for number 4. Shap does not need the extra power of two 87s, and you can only turn round the complete train, or the driver engine anyway.

Mervyn

andynwt · Post by **andynwt** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 8:22 am

sounds good! any suggestions for things to do on NRR5 at the moment will be gratefully accepted as we don't have much other than some tranis for that route at the moment

if you'd be interested on working on this Tom then go for it!

Totally unrelated : any chance of Report Duty making an apperance this year

fingers crossed.

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:26 am

You mean timetables, schedules etc If so i'll see what I can do

, just tell me how many of each train I have to work with or is it unlimited?

I wonder if Gerald had any plans for minor alterations (would only be a tiny patch), for example :

* Allowing access to the WCML from platform 2 at Carlisle
* Depot at Carnforth
* More sidings at Carlisle for stock storage

anyone interested in this attempt, please post here ASAP. Not sure about the date though would probarbly be a Sunday.

andynwt · Post by **andynwt** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:13 pm

I'm happy to give you a free run and make it as realistic or otherwise as you wish. I'm grateful for anyone who volunteers to help in any regard as I know there's a lot of hard work involved!

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 1:16 pm

I'll see what I can do.

Some Ideas for services; (Mornings Only) detonates it's only early morning to get the stock where it's meant to be, reverse happens in the evenings:

1) Carlisle Citadel (East bays) > Newcastle (ALL STNS)
2) Carlisle Citadel (East bays) > Heysham Ferry via Settle (ALL STNS)
3) Carlisle Citadel (Platform 1A) > Heysham Ferry via Barrow In Furness (ALL STNS)
4) Carlisle Citadel (Platform 1B) > Lancaster via Penrith (ALL STNS)
5) Windemere > Lancaster (ALL STNS)
6) Lancaster > Heysham Ferry (ALL STNS)
7) Carlisle Citadel > Appleby > Ribblehead > Settle > Carnforth East > Barrow > Millom > Ravenglass > Whitehaven > Workington > Aspatria > Carlisle Citadel (ONLY NOTED STATIONS)
8 ) Ravenglass > Boot (ALL STNS)
9) Barrow - In - Furness > Boot (ALL STNS)
10) Settle > Heysham Ferry (Mornings Only) (ALL STNS)
11) Settle > Carlisle Citadel (Mornings Only) (ALL STNS)
12) Carlisle Citadel > Windermere (Mornings Only) (ALL STNS)
13) Carlisle Citade > Whitehaven (ALL STNS)
14) Haltwhistle > Carlisle Citadel > Aspatria > Carlisle Citadel > Cumwhinton > Carlisle Citadel > Haltwhistle (ALL STNS)
15) (Summer Saturdays only) Carlisle Citadel > Barrow In Furness (PRINCIPLE STATIONS ONLY) (Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside...)

No. 14 may sound weird but is designed as a 'suburban' service to encourage people living just out of Carlisle to work in the city centre... see, how realistic

Freight....

1) Shap Cement > Millom Quarry (sand for the cement)
2) Shap Cement > Barrow Docks (export cement)
3) Workington Oil > Carlisle Depot (oil for depot)
4) Heysham P.S. > Barrow Docks (imported coal)
5) Carlisle Kingmoor > Heysham P.S. (coal from Newcastle)

More as I think of them.

andynwt · Post by **andynwt** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 1:50 pm

what we could do initially is put these up as scheduled routes without specific timetables (so long as a headcode is allocated - i need this for duty reporting!), then they could be available quicker.

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:02 pm

Sure

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If each major town was given a code :

C - Carlisle
N - Newcastle
S - Settle
A - Carnforth
H - Heysham
L - Lancaster
W - Windemere
B - Barrow
O - Workington

Codes could be <start area><end area><service code>

i.e. CN01 - Carlisle to Newcastle, route 01.
WL05 - Windemere to Lancaster, route 05
SH10 - Settle to Heysham, route 10

So you know roughly where a train is going from / to without knowing the route code / looking the route code up.

Of course if you have a better idea

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Totally unrelated : any takers for converting the old NWT166 into the new livery? It would do nicely for Carlisle to Heysham via Barrow / Settle, Heysham loco hauled facilities are poor if my memory is correct from last time I was down there... possibly the service pattern could be loco hauled / MU and so on, loco hauled ending passanger service at Morcambe and running ECS to turn via the Power Station just before Heysham. The Lancaster > Heysham shuttle would take any punters for Heysham on to their final destination.

Additional to the services, possibly

16) Carlisle Citadel > Heysham Ferry via Penrith (Runs when Required in connection with boats)

16 could be loco hauled as it's only occasional and reasonably long distance... 87 mebbe? If Carnforth > Heysham is not electrified then loco change to a 47 at Carnforth... or maybe a duo 47 + 87 with 87 at front, the 87 uncoupling at carnforth and running to lancaster, crossover and then back up to Carnforth and wait for the 47 with the return. 47 takes train to heysham where an 08 performs a Shunt Release operation.

Post by **martinhodgson** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:09 pm

Heysham PS is a nuclear power station, so maybe you could either simulate a run to sellafield or a run of nuclear consists

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:12 pm

Aaah... soo, is Sellafield where the waste is disposed of?

Sellafield to Heysham then... I wonder if the repainters could do us a 20, a 47 / 37 / 56 / 60 / 66 seem grossly overpowered.

You can cancel those coal trains.

Wonder how the raw uranium gets there?

slipdigby · Post by **slipdigby** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:42 am

TomB wrote:
Wonder how the raw uranium gets there?

Scuse me for going off at a tangent here, but anyway.

Sellafield site comprises several independant installations, the part that most people refer to is the reprocessing site operated by BNFL. The site does not make the fuel rods themselves, and as a result does not require raw uranium. What comes in to Sellafield (By rail, either from domestic sources or international sources via Barrow Ramsden docks) is classed as "spent" fuel. Thats whats in the big flasks, the radioactive stuff. Upon arrival at Sellafield the flasks are opened and the contents are placed in a cooling pond to allow much of the remaining heat to decay from the rods. After a set amount of time, the rods are taken to a further plant where the fuel rods are stripped of their cladding and the actual fuel dissolved in acid. Here the remaining unburnt uranium, plutonium generated during fission and the small amount of radioactive waste is seperated and the three products go their seperate ways. The uranium I believe is shipped back to Springfields near Preston where it can be reused as further nuclear fuel. The Plutonium is stored for potential future use in fast breeder reactors, whilst the high level waste is "vitrified" in glass and stored pending future decisions on waste storage options in the UK.

On other railway matters, DRS also run frequent rail services from Sellafield to Drigg low level disposal site, where skips of low level waste (Stuff like cloves, respirator masks and so forth) go to be buried.

I could go on about raw uranium, yellowcake and uranium hexaflouride but I dont think its really relevant

Hope this helps a little

Slip

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 8:56 am

So we could run

Barrow Docks > Sellafield
Heysham > Sellafield
Sellafield > Drigg
Sellafield > Lancaster (for continuation to Preston)

plus Drigg > Sellafield empties and Lancaster > Sellafield empties.

Aah i always wondered what that siding at Drigg was for!

Does anyone know the purpouses of Wigton and Low Row "Slidings"?

Workington I assume is steel, Whitehaven is oil.

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 9:00 am

More from me.

I've done the Carlisle to Heysham via Settle timetable with the help of AE's timetable thing. Bearing in mind the AI driver I added a few US freight cars on the rear to compensate for it

I've done it in M$ Word Format :

http://tombeevers2000.free-hosting.org. ... settle.doc (word 2k)

And also HTML (converted from M$ word and grossly unoptimised)

http://tombeevers2000.free-hosting.org. ... eysham.htm

andynwt · Post by **andynwt** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 10:11 am

excellent Tom! i'll have to get these converted for the main site. also got to figure out what's up with the news page, it's broken too. why can't things be easy?

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 10:58 am

Glad I can be of some use

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Citadel to Lancaster and Lancaster to Morcambe next, then Heysham to Citadel via Barrow, then the Ravenglass Line, then Newcastle, then....

Figured out that the 0435, 0605, 0635 and 0705 services (and the services those trains later form) will need to be operated by stock from Carnforth (is there a depot at Carnforth? I think that guy with the rabbit said he had a patch with one in), the 0735 and onwards will have Carlisle trains which have come down. The 0535 will be operated by a Settle based unit which comes to Heysham on the 0411 from Settle.

I'll see about an NWT166 for these services, in the meantime a 117 manages to keep up with the timetable. In this way we're also being realistic replacing old stock with new.... and 117 green is vaugly NWT-ish livery.

I see there's a Carlisle to Glasgow route on UKTS. Any viability in merging this with the current NRR route? A download of merged tiles with readme saying "make a route called xyz, copy all files from NRR5 and Glasgow to Carlisle into this and then install these tiles" should do it.

That would mean possibility for projecting the Lancaster > Citadel services to Glasgow, and Local services from Citadel to Glasgow from the North bays.

Time for lunch...