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trains2 wrote:Is it me or are First taking over all small TOCs? Eg Thameslink, Wessex Trains, and all the others they have already got? Are First going for world domination. :o
Well Wessex were merged into Great Western, Stagecoach (who I would have liked), First (second choice) or National Express were the bidders for the combined franchise and First won (Stagecoach didn't offer enough Premium according to News reports)

Same with wagn and Thameslink
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250787 wrote:
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trains2 wrote:Is it me or are First taking over all small TOCs? Eg Thameslink, Wessex Trains, and all the others they have already got? Are First going for world domination. :o
Well they now own 55% of the public transport in the UK
Then its Northern with 20%
Tfl with 10%
South Eastern & Southern 10%
Arriva with 2%
One with 1.5%
SWT 1%
C2C 0.5%
So GNER and the National Express Group (Virgin, Central, Midland Mainline) dont exist then :wink:
LOL sorry i knew i missed someone out.

Virgin 30%
GNER 20%
First 20%
NEG 5%
MML 5%
Arriva 5%
tfl 5%
Northern 5%
one 2%
SWT 2%
c2c 1%

there we go Percentages are based on area size and not service running.
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Virgin 30%
GNER 20%
First 20%
NEG 13%
Arriva 5%
tfl 5%
Northern 5%
SWT 2%

One, c2c and MML are all in the National Express Group
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enotayokel wrote:
One, c2c and MML are all in the National Express Group
as are Central Trains, although their franchise is up for grabs soon.
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well i though c2c were seperate from the rest as they hold/held the record for the smallest rail operator in the uk (Mainline)
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They are not public transport, they are express trains.
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hertford wrote:They are not public transport, they are express trains.
I meant GNER, Virgin, MML, and GWT.
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hertford!!!!! of course they are public transport like a bus, taxi, car. anyone who carries passengers is a public transport.
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But 100% of public transport can't be based solely on the trains...

First do have far too many franchises though.
Having a brain bypass
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Whitemoor wrote:
hertford wrote:Wagn is not bankrupt!?
WAGn wasent bankrupt, just been took over by first group. 365505 will be rolled out in the new livery on monday, and is expected to work 1045 KX-KL.
I protest! I protest!
WAGN was a perfect company, and now First is trying to act like Intercity and British Rail?
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Whats wrong with that?

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Been here long enough to know better...
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probs the goverment saw that they could get more money out of first taking over tl and wagn................or maybe their franchises was up for grabs shortly??
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I like to point out due to the greater anglia franchise being put in place GN services where in limbo to be honest kings cross has now two first group services whlist other locations there is one major intercity and one regional franchise
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The idea is that when Thameslink 2000 (or 2020 whichever you prefer...) is completed, First Capital Connect will be able to run services across London to both Bedford and Cambridge.

For that they need the Great Northern bit of the old WAGN franchise.

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salopiangrowler wrote:well i though c2c were seperate from the rest as they hold/held the record for the smallest rail operator in the uk (Mainline)
What about the Isle Of Wight rail operator?
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