RESULTS ARE IN!

Geoff Potters fantastic Route Building Challenge for RailWorks - if you want to participate in a 1 week route building challenge or just see what everyone is talking about, this is the place to go!

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Re: RESULTS ARE IN!

Postby LoneWolfDon on Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:27 am

I've had a chance to finally download and try the "Port Road" route. Wow! Its hard to believe the incredible amount of work and detail that was put into these routes and in such a short amount of time.

My hat's off to you route builders. Working on building my own route lately and knowing how much work can be involved in route and scenario building, I'm almost a bit envious of how skilled you guys are to be able to make such masterpieces in such a short amount of time.

BTW, on the Announcement page regarding the route challenge winners:
http://www.uktrainsim.com/index2.php?fo ... eport=1277
I see only the top-3 routes are mentioned there.
Does anyone know the complete list of names for all of the 8 routes that were submitted?

As a side-note, between waiting in ques and the sloooow download speeds, I think it took me close to 6 hours to finally download just the one route so far. I tried clicking on the link that leads to becoming a "Premium Member", but that link seems to just lead to an error page. I don't know if the site-owners are aware of it.

Again my Thanks and Congrats to all of the route builders. Your hard work is appreciated and enjoyed.
Merry Christmas! :)
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Re: RESULTS ARE IN!

Postby Acorncomputer on Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:26 pm

Hi Lonewolf

There are grades for the other 5 Challengers but it was mainly rule 'technicalities' that separated them and the grading does not truly reflect their entertainment value. These gradings, therefore, will not be published.

Thanks for your encouraging comments.
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Re: RESULTS ARE IN!

Postby NeutronIC on Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:52 pm

LoneWolfDon,

Where is the link that doesn't seem to work?

Click "unlimited downloads" on the front page for the correct link, which is :

http://www.uktrainsim.com/index2.php?fo ... bscription

I'll take a look and see if I can find where the duff link is!

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Re: RESULTS ARE IN!

Postby LoneWolfDon on Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:49 pm

NeutronIC wrote:LoneWolfDon,

Where is the link that doesn't seem to work?

Click "unlimited downloads" on the front page for the correct link, which is :

http://www.uktrainsim.com/index2.php?fo ... bscription

I'll take a look and see if I can find where the duff link is!

Matt.


Hi Matt. Okay, I guess I overlooked that link from the front page before, as it's under your "News" link mixed-in with about 50 or so various other links all over that page (I must admit I haven't paid too much attention to the almost overwhelming amount of links on your main site's pages thus far, or I may have sub-consciously seen it and assumed it meant that your site has "unlimited downloads" by default already, as being a free-member I can still download as many files as I want (thus, "unlimited downloads"), just I need to do it 1-file-at-a-time and be patient. Perhaps something like: "Become a Premium Member for Unrestricted Downloads" may make more sense? Or the message shown on the download Queue pages makes more sense in this regards as well. Anyways, I'm still a bit of a "noob" on your site and gradually finding my way around, and probably about 90% + of my time here on your site I've mostly been using the forums).

But to find my way around your main site, I was mainly using the top "Options" navigation button-bar-type menu, as it seemed to be the most consistent easy to find/navigate menu on your main pages. Perhaps you should consider having a "Become a Premium Member for Unlimited / Unrestricted Downloads" type of link displayed prominently near the top-nav-bar especially when someone clicks and goes to your "Download Library" page(s).

Anyways, regarding the bad-link(s), as far as I can tell it appears on every "Download Depo" page (or the "download waiting Queue" page) when you go to actually download a file... You know the Download Page that is shown when waiting in Queue to get a file, and it reads:

"Get unlimited access to the File Library!
No bandwidth restrictions, No queues
Click here to become a PREMIUM member! "

That's where I assumed one needed to actually click (the "here" link on those download pages) to become a "Premium Member". The "here" link on all Queue pages I've seen thus far is shown goes to the following url:
http://www.atomic-systems.com/common/subscribe.php , which, on my end at least, just goes to a "404 server error, file or directory not found" type of page.

If you fix this link on these Queue pages, or redirect that link to go to your actual working sign-up page, you'd probably have more people signing up to become Premium Members. You might also consider putting something like a "Sign up as a Premium Member for Unrestricted & Unlimited Downloads" type of link towards the top of your Forum page(s) too. Well, hope my info and comments helped.

Thanks for the great site! I've really learned a lot from it.
Merry Christmas, Best wishes --- Don.
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Re: RESULTS ARE IN!

Postby NeutronIC on Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:04 am

Thanks for the great feedback Don, I will read it carefully over the holiday and try to improve that front of the site (I'm aware there are tons and tons of links on the front page, the new site re-design unfortunately keeps getting stalled for numerous reasons) however I take your points about improving visibility and your feedback on how you are reading the page - great stuff.

I'll also try and make a special effort tomorrow to find and fix that duff URL - thanks for highlighting it!

Cheers and have a merry christmas!

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Re: RESULTS ARE IN!

Postby LoneWolfDon on Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:40 am

Hi Matt. Glad my input was of some help to you.

I've been dabbling as a Webmaster and making websites for many years now (though I'm no "expert" at it, I can design a clean, fast-loading, easy-to-navigate and SEO friendly website). In my experience, I find the "K.I.S.S." system works best for me.. "Keep It Simple, Stupid" ;) Make the front-page quick-loading, easy on the eyes, and have a menu that is easy to navigate and that is consistent from one page to the next.

You have dozens of links all over your main pages, and one can feel overwhelmed or "lost" of where to go or what to click.
On your left, you have different heading such as News, Tutorials, Editorials, Reviews, etc.... and under each heading lots of links. Maybe simplify things, make all those headings, or categories, a simplified nav-menu.. then, for example, let's say I decide to click on the category or topic of "Tutorials" from this simplified nav-menu, then the main "Tutorials" page would appear and only then would I see all of the related-links to that selected topic. Of course keep the same simplified nav-menu on all of the various category / topic pages for consistency and easy navigation.

Try not to have any one page scroll on-and-on too long. People don't like to have to scroll too much, especially if it's a main-page or a top-category page. Its hard for a visitor to digest.
As an analogy, let's say you are a bit hungry, so you go to McD's and buy a big-mac, fries, apple-pie and coca-cola. You don't shove the whole-thing in your mouth at once and try to then swallow it all at the same time, you take small easy-to-chew-and-digest bites... take your time, enjoy it, savor it, feel satisfied... then when you swallow, you take another little bite (though there are exceptions of where you see some slob trying to shove the whole burger-&-fries in his mouth at the same time, but then he usually ends up gasping and choking on it too, not to mention the bad indigestion after).
heheh... Anyways, the same thing goes for when I design a web-site. I try to make each page in "easy-to-digest bites"... it doesn't overwhelm the visitor, keeps things easy to navigate, easy on the eyes, and hopefully more friendly and enjoyable experience for them.

Here's an example of what I would consider a poorly designed webpage (Ack! Whaaaa? Where do I click? Me go Arrrgh!"):
North Brevard Business Directory: http://www.nbbd.com/
Clicking on any link on that page, things just seem to go from bad to worse :P
Example: http://www.nbbd.com/godo/index.html Lost yet? I sure am. (Heheh, at least your site's not THAT bad).

Here an example of a very simple looking, yet probably the single most popular webpage on the internet:
Google: http://www.google.com/

Well, you get the idea of what I'm getting at. Sometimes "Less is More" :)

When it comes down to it, it's your site, so you can design and present it as you like. But if you want to better optimize your visitors experience at your site, and perhaps even getting more visitors willing to click on any ads you may have or to sign-up as a premium-member, try to see things from a visitor's perspective (and remember not all visitors are internet or computer savvy), rather than a webmaster-trying-to-show-everything-at-once-on-one-page perspective.

Best wishes. --- Don.
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Re: RESULTS ARE IN!

Postby Racal on Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:48 pm

Congratulations to everyone who took part either building or organizing . A truly outstanding achievement.
I've been a bit tied up over the past few days so I missed the anouncement.

Well done all.
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Re: RESULTS ARE IN!

Postby NeutronIC on Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:01 pm

Hi Don,

Thanks for that :)

Unfortunately i've had a full site redesign on the cards now for probably years - I even paid a friends wife (who has sites like B&Q and Crayola under her belt) to do me a professional redesign and she's done a fantastic job of simplifying and modernising while keeping the general feel of the site... I just need about a month off work (and the wife and kids to go somewhere) to actually do anything with it. :)

It's on the to-do list, sadly.

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Re: RESULTS ARE IN!

Postby paulz6 on Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:07 am

I'd like to say a thank you for all those that took part, and produced routes with far greater quality than I expected.
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