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Looking for Austrian or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby CrisGer on Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:39 am

I am trying to find a pro typical Steam engine for the Orient Express varnious train set ups, i have found mention of the use of the Austrian and German Pacifics: namely DRB class 03 and BMB-CMD class 387.0 Pacifics ...does anyone know where to find this for MSTS on any of the various MSTS sites for download? I have tried on the german MSTS site and not found one yet...and will keep looking :)

thanks for any help on this....or othe suggestions i dont want to use the default engine as it was not typical of the 1930s when i am trying to set up a good consist or two ...that will be accurate. I also wonder if nayone has done any accurate coaches...the blue scheme was used later on but earlier it was quite differnt...
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Re: Looking for Austiran or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby douglee on Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:16 am

Hi Chris,
Not sure about a loco.
However the 'Southern Region CD'. (Payware but worth it for the Stock) has a nice set of CIWL Wagon-Lits Coaches.

I wiil try to rig a screenshot. Watch this space. :wink:

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Re: Looking for Austiran or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby michaelhendle on Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:23 am

Hi Chris,

Try this site for steam loco's they're really good, http://train-sim-werk.de/
And this for coaches, thetrain.de

Get google to translate the pages unless you can speak and read German

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Re: Looking for Austiran or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby douglee on Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:41 am

HI Chris,
douglee wrote: Not sure about a loco.
However the 'Southern Region CD'. (Payware but worth it for the Stock) has a nice set of CIWL Wagon-Lits Coaches.

I wiil try to rig a screenshot. Watch this space. :wink:

Good luck
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Two quick shots of the Night Ferry, totally lost in Brighton! On the Steyning Route


Click the image to zoom in



Click the image to zoom in


Hope this helps

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Re: Looking for Austiran or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby jbilton on Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:02 pm

Hi
The older coaches are available here

Rame Pullman "Flèche d'Or" 1926 de la CIWL comportant fourgon "truck" à bagages, voitures Salon et Salon/Cuisine
Modèles réalisés par Pascal Grando

http://railatelier.free.fr/models/modeles.htm

This is an excellent list of French stock

http://ajtrainsim.free.fr/materfr.htm

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Re: Looking for Austiran or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby douglee on Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:20 pm

Hi Chris,
Here's two more shots. Still lost this time near Shoreham. :roll:

[album 75083 BATS_BOB_Night_Ferry_1.JPG thumblink]


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At least you an see before buying the Add On.

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Re: Looking for Austiran or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby CrisGer on Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:51 pm

THANK YOU gentlemen, i am once again amazed at the speed and depth of the help here :)

that is just what i had hoped for. Doug i think that payware is worth the penny indeed. Hope that train made it to the ferry.
Doug, what engine do you have on there pulling that consist? i see a nice name plate on the front, London Paris, was that a custom job?

I was lucky enough to ride the train onto the ferry back in the mid 1970's and all the way to Venice by various routes. It was a remarkable thing to go to sleep on the train as she moved onto the ferry and then to wake up in the sunshine of the ride across france and on to Venice, the perfect way to arrive there, and i have found an Italian route for the Venice end...

i suppose there is no route that allows us to board the actual ferry? that would be a fun one to do. I know there ARE some smaller train ferries out for MSTS but i dont think any one has the channel ferries.

thanks again, off to look for the Pacifics. thanks again.

Jon that French page of engines and stock is Wonderful indeed! just amazing...thanks so much for that.

and the page with the french Chapelons and Fleche D'or carriages is just what i needed. I am sorry that MSTS got it so wrong the idea was good for the early OE but just not right and it has bothered me for years now :) thank you all so much again.

this page had a LOT of good engines and stock:

http://railatelier.free.fr/models/modeles.htm

and for the german engines:

http://www.train-sim-werk.de/typo3/index.php?id=283 DB 2003 set plus varied Tenders

Here is the version of the DB-03 by Stoney. The "Salon-liner" of the series 03 was a lighter version of the 01
built for routes that were not yet expanded to 20 tonnes axle load. She had a strong centrifugal tendency, which
could be taken into account thanks 232Fan also in the model, so you have to drive this engine with a good dose of
intuition. In addition to the standard-Tender 2'2'T34 these engines in the DB, with the tender and the short
2'2'T32 2'2T30 were coupled. The short-T30 tank was especially widespread in the Bw Rheine to turn the
locomotives during missions to Holland at the local short 20-meter hubs can.
and also:
03 182 - Bw Bremen
03 219 - Bw Rheine
03 223 - Bw Osnabrück Hbf
03 296 - Bw Rheine

and this is fun, a French club of Pacific engine drivers and supporters...they do annual trips...i guess with restored engines...

http://pacificvapeurclub.free.fr/
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Re: Looking for Austiran or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby douglee on Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:13 pm

Hi Chris,
CrisGer wrote:THANK YOU gentlemen, i am once again amazed at the speed and depth of the help here :)

that is just what i had hoped for. Doug i think that payware is worth the penny indeed. Hope that train made it to the ferry.
Doug, what engine do you have on there pulling that consist? i see a nice name plate on the front, London Paris, was that a custom job?


I only post what I know which is not much, as you can se others are more learned.

The loco is a Battle of Britan Class, (a Spam Can) for obvious reasons. It is on the Southern Region CD along with SR (Southern Region) Pullmans and BR and SR N and Q classes and freight stock.
The original release needed patching. I do not know if the new versions include the patches or not. The patches are still available.

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Re: Looking for Austrian or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby CrisGer on Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:15 pm

thanks Doug, i thought it might be a Battle of Britian, was not sure. That looks very correct with that theme from what i am learning. OK< i will look for it, much appreciated.

I found a nice set of coaches on a french site:

CIWL - Orient Express - 11 135 Ko
http://bpao.free.fr/french/simu/simu.php

http://bpao.free.fr/fichiers/voitures/ciwl_chain.zip

the hunt continues :)
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Re: Looking for Austrian or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby douglee on Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:35 pm

Hi Chris,
CrisGer wrote:thanks Doug, OK< i will look for it, much appreciated.



If you mean the Southern Reigon Add On? It's on UKTS CD Ordering, front page lower left, usual 1 month free premium with purchace.

Never ending 'ain't it. It will be quite an acievement if you can trace the whole VOSE with MSTS Routes.

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Re: Looking for Austrian or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby CrisGer on Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:54 pm

Well that was my thought, to try to see how much of it i can re create....and then see if it is possible to combine al the routes and travel straight thru...i found a nice Venice route, which even has nice details....and some of the German Add on routes will work and we have the bit from MSTS itself...i havent gotten the maps out yet but will see how it goes....getting the engines and right carriages seems within reach now.....and i even found some carriages with passengers in them :)

so it will be an adventure to try.

cheers and thanks again! If i get back to the UK i am going to have to track all you fellows down and treat a lot of pints or whatever. sure do appreciate the aid and help.
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Re: Looking for Austrian or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby douglee on Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am

Hi Chris,
and then see if it is possible to combine al the routes and travel straight thru...


I doubt this. I think the PC power required would be a stumbling block.
Merging the routes, would require rewriting the tdb. Also the location on the World Tiles would no doubt need changing (can be done with Route-Riter I think).

What could be done is a series of acts to be run in sequence. Gaps would not really matter, and off route starting places could be explained by diversions.

I am sure there would be some interest in this, concider a thread charting your progress. 8)

Good luck
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Re: Looking for Austrian or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby CrisGer on Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:48 pm

heheh, re the price of beer but it is worth it! we have watered down soda over here instead of real beer

I have found a number of good engines from UK, France, and Austria/Germany that were used for the OE, and a complete range of carriages, havent tried any of them yet, but they look good, all colour schemes including the full royal blues, the two toned tan and creme and blue and creme and the back to blue again after 1932.... until the end of the line in 2009. Sources for the engines and carriage sets include:

http://bpao.free.fr/french/simu/simu.php

http://bpao.free.fr/fichiers/voitures/ciwl_chain.zip

http://www.train-sim-werk.de/typo3/index.php?id=283

http://railatelier.free.fr/models/modeles.htm

http://www.ildeposito.net/

http://www.trains-de-mes-dix-ans.com/

http://www.thetrain.de/

http://www.uktrainsim.com

and the French Club of former Pacific engine drivers and crews

http://pacificvapeurclub.free.fr/

And i understand that there is a great updated Alberg Route done over on the Italian site, i was going to do that myself but will check it out to see and expect it will be great...

The Orient Express was the name of a long-distance passenger train originally operated by the Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits. Its route has changed many times, and several routes have in the past concurrently used the name, or slight variants thereof. Although the original Orient Express was simply a normal international railway service, the name has become synonymous with intrigue and luxury travel. The two city names most intimately associated with the Orient Express are Paris and Istanbul, the original endpoints of the service.

Since 1977, the Orient Express has not served Istanbul. Its immediate successor, a through overnight service from Paris to Vienna, ran for the very last time from Paris on Friday, June 8, 2007. Since then, the route, still called the "Orient Express", has been shortened to start from Strasbourg instead,[1] occasioned by the inauguration of the LGV Est which affords much faster travel times from Paris to Strasbourg. The new curtailed service left Strasbourg at 22.20 daily, shortly after the arrival of a TGV from Paris, and is attached at Karlsruhe to the overnight sleeper service from Amsterdam to Vienna.

On 14 December 2009, the Orient Express ceased to operate and the route disappeared from European railway timetables, reportedly a "victim of high-speed trains and cut-rate airlines." wikipedia

UPDATE April 2010: It appears reports of the demise of the Orient Express were premature. There is a private firm that runs fully equipped classic OE coaches with modern engines to all the major historic destinations on a set schedule and also runs private commisoined runs and consists. See post below.

There were a series of Orient Express routes some of which ran at the same time and some of which connected or exchanged resources and services:

* Marks Routes Available for this branch of the OE for MSTS

OE 1 Orient Express London to Paris, Munich, Vienna, Budapest, Bucharest Istambul *
1883-1914, 1919-1939, 1945-1962
OE 2 Simpleon-Orient Express Paris Lausanne Simplon Milan Venice Belgrade Sofia Istambul *
1919-1939, 1945-1962
OE 3 Arlberg-Orient Express London Calais Zurich Innsbruck Vienna Budapest Athens *
1930-1939, 1945-1962
OE 4 Venice Simplon Orient Express Calais Paris Lausanne Milan Venice *
1982-2005
OE 5 OBB EN 262 Orient Express Paris Strasbourg Munich Vienna Budapest *
1977-2009
OE 6 Modern Orient Express Private Schedule to all the historic destinations

Routes that include portions of the OE:

Period II
OE3 Arelburg
http://www.ildeposito.net/ Download section look for Scenery and then Scenario/Route : Arlberg Banh
1910 Era, with Engines and Rolling Stock including a set of the OE carriages, updated and enhanced version of the MSTS route and expanded to include: Innsbruck - Bludenz - Feldkirch - Buchs in 1910 R. Grassi, 226 MB

Period II and III
http://www.trenomania.it/index2.asp Linea Torino-Milano-Venezia v.2
Torino to Venice with modern Italian RR set up and basic equipment for AI trains,

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it is early days in my research but i will see what happens with this all....thanks again to all here for the great help it really directed me to good sources... there is a lot on the french sites and more beyond....
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Re: Looking for Austrian or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby douglee on Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:08 pm

Hi Chris,
Great work. :lol:
The dates will help anyone including a OE service in an act.

Don't forget to drive some trains. :D After all that is what it is all about. :wink:

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Re: Looking for Austrian or German Pacific DRB 03

Postby CrisGer on Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:05 pm

thanks, i will get in the cab shortly...am looking forward to it actualy very much.

I found out some great news, the Orient Express is still alive and well it turns out, the info about all the cars being up for sale and the line closed forever are premature: it appears that it is now affiliated with a series of luxury hotels and the train runs on a regular schedule to all of the old stops, with special and private trains also run:

http://www.orient-express.com/web/vsoe/ ... xpress.jsp

Orient-Express Hotels Inc
Orient-Express Services Ltd
20 Upper Ground
London
SE1 9PF
United Kingdom

Tel: +44 (0)20 7921 4000
Fax: +44 (0)20 7921 4708
Email: help@orient-express.com
Website: http://www.orient-express.com

1114 Avenue of the Americas
38th Floor
New York
NY 10036
USA

Tel: +1 212 302 5055
Fax: +1 212 302 5203

Orient-Express Hotels Inc.

Orient-Express

20 Upper Ground
London
SE1 9PF
United Kingdom

Tel: +44 (0) 207 921 4000
Fax: +44 (0) 207 805 5908
Email: oesales.uk@orient-express.com

205 Meeting Street
Charleston
SC 29401
USA

Tel: Hotels +1 800 237 1236
& +1 843 937 9066
Email:oehinfo@oeh.com
Tel: Trains & Cruises + 1 800 524 2420
& +1 843 937 9068
Email:greatjourneys@oeh.com

SCHEDULE 2010
http://www.orient-express.com/web/vsoe/journeys.jsp

London - Venice
London - Venice (Return)
Venice - London
London - Venice - Rome
Paris - Budapest - Bucharest - Istanbul
Istanbul - Bucharest - Budapest - Venice
Venice - Krakow - Dresden - London

April 2010
Wed 28 Thu 29 Venice-Paris
Wed 28 Thu 29 Venice-London
Thu 29 Fri 30 London-Venice
Thu 29 Thu 29 London-Paris
Thu 29 Thu 29 Paris-London
Thu 29 Fri 30 Paris-Venice

i will post a list with pictures of the engines and rolling stock i have found, and hopefully maybe someday with permisison from all the makers, we may be able to have a pack of the very best consists from the major time periods, this will be a fun project to work on, and a way to share one of the really great trains remaining with us today.

I will post details on the engines and coach sets i have found: here is an overview:


Champelon 231 G France
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141P Pacific France

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Period II - III 1926-2010

Wagon Lit Coach

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Restaurant Wagon Lit

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Kitchen Wagon Lit

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Pullman Sleeper Coach

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Period II -2010- (Modern Pullman UK service)

Creme and Tan Livery

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Blue Livery Old Style Baggage Wagon

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Old Style Baggage Wagon

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Period 1 Blue with Gold 1888-1920s

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Period 1 Old Style Panelled

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